HD & BLU RAY...can they be converted?

[DrTalk]

:doh: OK, so we got AnyDVD HD which obviously handles HD discs as well as Blu Ray discs. Now, this may be a noob question for someone who's been around as long as I have but, here it comes........can an HD or Blu Ray disc be converted to a normal DVD just like you can easily convert any 1 type of video file to another? Compression of video has ALWAYS been the big issue, but we've learned to live with it. Any thoughts?

Dr Talk

[Spanky]

I really doubt it, the HD movies I have vary from 20 few to up near 30 gigabytes in size and Blu-Ray can get up near 50 gigabytes. I won’t say it can’t be done, but it would take a butt load of compression to get it down to 8.5 gigabytes.

[DrTalk]

I really doubt it, the HD movies I have vary from 20 few to up near 30 gigabytes in size and Blu-Ray can get up near 50 gigabytes. I won’t say it can’t be done, but it would take a butt load of compression to get it down to 8.5 gigabytes.

Hey thanks Spanky! Yeah, I knew that file size was going to be the biggest concern. I was just entertaining the thought of how we can convert a .WAV file down to an .MP3 and still maintain good listening quality. I figured the same principal could possibly apply here. I'm not 100% convinced it cannot be done either, but, we may be just wasting our time as the switch to either HD or Blu Ray is inevitable. We're slaves to the manufacturers and studios unfortunately.

[Spanky]

I think you are right about that, I jumped on the HD bandwagon mostly because of James’s advice, I figure he should know. I’m building my library in HD hoping I haven’t picked a loser. Blockbuster announcing that they are backing and only renting Blu-Ray may change the course of the war. You never know, some young genius may come up with a way to extract just enough A/V to make DL back up from an HD disk?

[sej7278]

i think the only hope there is transcoding to h264, i've seen 4-8gb hd rips that look ok, although i doubt they came from full 50gb capacity disks.

[mike20021969]

I really doubt it, the HD movies I have vary from 20 few to up near 30 gigabytes in size and Blu-Ray can get up near 50 gigabytes. I won’t say it can’t be done, but it would take a butt load of compression to get it down to 8.5 gigabytes.
forget about cloning the hd or blu ray disc to ordinary dvd for a sec.
lets assume the hd/bluray feature is an an average 1 and three quater hour film.if an hd or bluray player has composite video out or scart (and why shouldnt it? we might not all have an hd telly at the moment),then it can be connected to a dvd recorder (if the output has CSS on it a little box of tricks might be needed too) and recorded onto a normal 4.7GB blank disc.
this means the hd/bluray player converts the output to composite video quality in the player itself obviously.

so i think software will soon be available to do it on a computer.
i download a high-definition clip off the microsoft website and converted it to wmv at 256kbps using sony vegas movie studio platinum 6 and it did it in next to no time.ok the clip was only about 2 minutes long and wasn't from a hd or bluray disc.but it was an HD clip.

[dburckh]

I've managed to convert a few HD DVD with XviD/MPG2 using this method. They aren't as good as the original, but they aren't bad.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1076291#post1076291

The examples posted use -sameq, if you want to fit it to a DVD, you have to use -b xxx and figure out your target bitrate (remember to subtract the size of the audio!)

That thread also talks about converting to AVC, it a lot more complicated.

[diogen]

The main feature with one soundtrack (non-PCM) is around 20GB on both, HD and BD.
If you can live with a 720p re-encode, you won't have to sacrifice too much
to fit the result into DL DVD (8GB) or two SL DVD (8.7GB).

DIogen.

[dchard]

Fisrt we need to clarify what are we really want?

1. Split an HD/BD to DVD discs?

2. Convert the HD/BD disc's hidef video to a standar definition DVD (playable in any DVD standalone)?

3. Somehow recompress the HD/BD disc to fit on a DVD / DVD-DL and try to keep the high definition picture?

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1. is possible but I think an insane idea.

2. is not just possible but some riliz group working on standard DVDs, which has a HD or BD source. Very nice quality, but just standard definition, not HD.

3. Yes this is the way. Using x264 (an opensource AVC/H.264) encoder, it is possible to recompress >=1:45 movie to a single layer DVD in a very nice 720p quality with a Dolby soundtrack, or a 2 - 2:30 movie to a duallayer DVD with either DTS track in 720p (also very nice).

720p is not fullHD, but under 40" on a "just HD ready" (not fullHD) display, these are looks very fine.

But there is no "one-click" sollution for any point I described above.

Dchard

[Turtleggjp]

Tools are maturing that are allowing us to work with the formats on the HD discs. Once we can get an HD movie into our favorite encoding tools (AVI Synth and Virtual Dub for me), it can be down converted and recompressed into whatever format we want:

8.5GB for Dual Layer DVD using XviD/DivX or x264 etc. (might need downsampling).
4.7GB for Single Layer DVD using XviD/DivX or x264 etc. (most definitely will need downsampling).
720x480 MPEG2 for DVD video players (obviously downsampled).

Or in my case, I use a consistent quality method with XviD at full resolution. I did Transformers this way and it came out at just under 10GB at 1920x800 resolution (I cropped the black bars) and 640kbps dolby digital audio. This is not very easy to backup to DVDs, and Blu Ray discs are still too expensive, but that's my problem to deal with. Anyone else doing this could easily fit it to whatever size fits their needs by downsampling, higher compression, or different compression such as x264.

The part that needs to be overcome right now is handling the new container formats (.EVO and .M2TS) and the new video and audio codecs found inside:

Video:
MPEG2 is easy (little difference from handling DVD).
VC-1 is trickier, but I've done it.
AVC is getting better thanks to the up and coming DGAVCIndex/DGAVCDecode tool.

Audio:
Dolby Digital Plus is close but not perfect.
Dolby TrueHD is reportedly working well.
DTS-HD/Master Audio can also work too.

As long as Slysoft keeps enabling us to decrypt the discs, the tools to work on converting them to other formats will continue to get better. Eventually, it will become as easy as DVDs are today, but probably not for another year or so.

[3r1c]

dont use divx or xvid for hd. they were not made with HD in mind and dont give good results on high resolution material.

with x264 you can fit a whole movie on a 8gb dvd at reasonable quality.

if your going to convert it to dvd quality, just copy the dvd, you will get better results then downscaling HD.

[dburckh]

dont use divx or xvid for hd. they were not made with HD in mind and dont give good results on high resolution material.

with x264 you can fit a whole movie on a 8gb dvd at reasonable quality.

if your going to convert it to dvd quality, just copy the dvd, you will get better results then downscaling HD.

I think the people that wrote at DivXHD will differ with you on that. :)

I've done some H263 (XviD) conversions and the quality is better than DVD. Some media centers and most PCs can play 1080p H263 quite nicely. H264 is somewhat better and will be eventually become the standard. For now it takes a big box and/or hardware decoding to play it. Further it takes me about 24 hours to encode H264 vs. 8 with H263.

[JackPalance]

I currently use TMPGEnc Express which is fantastic, and converts to WMV -
WMV can quite happily cope with HD, but I'm still trying to find something as easy as TMPGEnc Xpress to do the same job with Blu Ray discs

[Turtleggjp]

I think the people that wrote at DivXHD will differ with you on that. :)

I've done some H263 (XviD) conversions and the quality is better than DVD. Some media centers and most PCs can play 1080p H263 quite nicely. H264 is somewhat better and will be eventually become the standard. For now it takes a big box and/or hardware decoding to play it. Further it takes me about 24 hours to encode H264 vs. 8 with H263.

I agree. The faster decoding of H.263 outweighs its larger size for me. Plus, I've done some recoding of my XviD 1080p TV shows lately (down to 720p), and it is pretty trivial and fast. Plus, I really liked the simple installation of the old DivX 3.11 and how doing so gave you both encoding and decoding ability. XviD also installs this way. With x264, you only get an encoder, and both it and the decoder are still under development. Perhaps some day when CPUs are powerful enough to decocde H.264 content as easily as they can do H.263 content today, I'll consider using x264. As it is, I used DivX 3.11 up until I started working with HD material. Only then did I look into a replacement codec for my stuff.

Bottom line: Both can do the job just fine, use what works best for you.

[Tegeril]

My ideal endgame scenario is a Hard Drive storage method that takes HDDVDs and converts them to an 8-12GB 1080p h.264 file depending on duration/etc, like CRF.

This would allow me to save anywhere from 50 to 66% of the space currently being eaten by my backups and would make the files more easily playable and accessible in Windows Media Center. I've never been interested in special features, and while the features on HDDVD are neat, I can grab the disc if I really care.

I'd love for someone to lay out the steps to do this now, but I know it's not easy at all and requires many programs, particularly with me using Vista x64.

[DonCarlos]

I have got a Question. Is it possible to get some audio streams or subtitle streams out of the .EVO .m2ts files?

I know there are tools like Tsremux and EVOdemux but when I use them the time of the movie is screwd up(perhaps it is a use mistake). For example if you use Harry Potter 5 with Tsremux the movie can be ripped down from 29Gb to 19Gb. That would be a really good solution you do not have to accept a loss of quality but can save space because I just want an german and english audio stream.

So could anybody give me a tutorial how to use these tools?(I did not finde one in doom9 or places like that)Or is there another way to get it done what I like to do?

I know Slysoft plans to release something like an CloneDVD HD which could do this but when it will be released is not clear....

[mick2006]

I have got a Question. Is it possible to get some audio streams or subtitle streams out of the .EVO .m2ts files?

I know there are tools like Tsremux and EVOdemux but when I use them the time of the movie is screwd up(perhaps it is a use mistake). For example if you use Harry Potter 5 with Tsremux the movie can be ripped down from 29Gb to 19Gb. That would be a really good solution you do not have to accept a loss of quality but can save space because I just want an german and english audio stream.

So could anybody give me a tutorial how to use these tools?(I did not finde one in doom9 or places like that)Or is there another way to get it done what I like to do?

I know Slysoft plans to release something like an CloneDVD HD which could do this but when it will be released is not clear....

I use Tsremux all the time with both HD DVD's and blu ray discs. And by the way, when cutting out stuff you don't want (like extra audio tracks) there is no loss in quality, you will only lose quality when you compress files. Tsremux does no compression. What exactly do you want to accomplish and I'm sure someone here can help you out. These tools can be used in different ways to meet specific goals.

[DonCarlos]

Thank you for your reply.

It is good to know that it does no compression.

The thing I would like to do is to have the same Blu ray afterwards the only difference between before using Tsremux is that the main movie just has one audio stream. I tried it with Harry Potter 5 but when it is finished the movie time doesn't work anymore...So could you please give me lesson how to use it the right way?

[Turtleggjp]

Which output format did you use? When I tested it, I did so with the first 4 or 5 files from Meet The Robinsons that were binary copied together. I used the M2TS output option (192 byte packets) not the Blu Ray option. This got rid of the discontinuity errors at the seams, and allowed Media Player Classic to successfully play the file all the way through (otherwise it would freeze at these points). PowerDVD doesn't like the resulting M2TS file in that it only plays video with no sound, but it does this with the originals too.

As far as having the same Blu Ray afterwards, I don't know how that would work with something like Meet the Robinsons, since there are about 30-35 M2TS files that make up the entire movie. You might need to do each file seperately. If you movie is just one big M2TS file, then you might be ok just running it through TSRemux. My experience with Blu Ray is pretty limited right now though, as I just got my LG drive. Hope that helps.

[DonCarlos]

It helps al little. I tried it with all three output options. And everytime the same happened. My thought were, I rip the whole Blu ray to the Harddrive. Then I look for the movie file(s) and run them through Tsremux. After I did that I delete the original files in the Blu ray folder and replace them with the new ones. When I now open this Blu ray on the harddrive in PowerDVD I thought it would be the same as the ripped one, but without the audio streams I don't like. Ok when I open the Blu ray on the harddrive and get to the main movie the movie time is screwed up, also when I click the right mouse button and choose the audiostreams the german stream is under french and so on. So I only mess everything up. I know this should not be the case but what can I do? I think the blu ray structre of the ripped one is not "ready" for the new files so it screws it. I don't know what I could do against this......So I think that what I want to do at the moment is impossible.

[matrixdan1]

I have converted a 2 of the blu ray movies i own to put on my tvix media player box.

1) AnyDvd Hd rip to hard drive
2) TsRemux with m2ts file extension
3) Open file in Elecard Studio Converter Pro the are different profiles to encode to ie avc h.264, mp4,mpeg 2

I picked my profile and encoded to get a smaller size file anywhere from 5 to 8ish gigs

Downsides
It cant handle the true hd audio stream only the dd
takes from 5 to 8 hours to encode

Unless you know where to get it Elecard isnt cheap ie 167 on sale to 237 bucks when you buy it
you can download for a 14 day trial i believe

for Hd dvd

You need nero 8 and the hd-dvd plug in

basically

EvoDemux Rebuild(vc1 video extension and eac3 Audio extension)
i have to do the first part 2x 1 as a rebuild and the other as a remux i needed to change the audio to an ac3 file with eac3to app

i believe from their i opened Nero 8 vision to make a movie
import the evo rebuilt as video and the new audio file(with the ac3) as the audio and select which output you want ie mpg4.
this takes several hours as well

if you open the rebuilt evo in showtime it will play the adio but for some reason it wont ancode when i tried nero recode

this is still a work in progress and i know doom9 has some info with guide but ive had problems with trying to use apps with command lines and scripts

[hddvdsupporter]

i think it's possible, i try it out at this moment..

yesterday i convert "successfully" planet of the apes (bd) to *.mp4. (1920x820, but no audio??) to a dvd+r dl

at this moment i try to convert a hd-dvd to blu-ray...
i tell you more later.

regards

[matrixdan1]

i think it's possible, i try it out at this moment..

yesterday i convert "successfully" planet of the apes (bd) to *.mp4. (1920x820, but no audio??) to a dvd+r dl

at this moment i try to convert a hd-dvd to blu-ray...
i tell you more later.

regards

What are you using to convert?

[matrixdan1]

Also look around for a guide for vso convertXtodvd will work. I cant remember if i used the rebuilt evo for hd-dvd or the m2ts file from bu ray but convertX did make a playable dvd

[hddvdsupporter]

What are you using to convert?

i can tell you more in the next hours.

i converted the antipiracy.evo (1920x1080) from Alone in the Dark (HD) to Blu-Ray (1920x1080) with audio.. i got a bd-re media but i don't have a ps3 to test it.
i converted also a part of Planet of the Apes Blu-Ray (1920x1080) to HD-DVD, also 1920x1080 with audio. It's playable in my xbox360 hd-dvd drive but runs not perfectly. Can't test it with a stand-alone player.

BD to HD seems to be a little harder..

at the moment i try to convert the second big evo file (about 7gb) from alone in the dark to blu-ray..

regards!! :-)

[hddvdsupporter]

picture quality is great, but no sound in the main movie if the file have TrueHD-Sound..

files without TrueHD audio works fine, (like the antipiracy.evo on hddvds or the Blu-Ray Intro on some blu-rays)

so i was able convert the antipiracy.evo to blu-ray and the Blu-ray intro to a hd-dvd.

eac3to(gui) does not work correct for me. the gui version give's me an error so i can't test it at the moment.
we have do decrypt the audio file than it should works..

btw: is it possible that some *.m2ts files have an extra copy protection that anydvdhd didn't find? some files seems to be encrypted if i try to convert them. but the files play fine on my hard disk.

[matrixdan1]

I had problems with the gui as well what error were you getting? I moved my files to the c drive at first i was using 192 kb but i keep switching until it worked for 448kb

[hddvdsupporter]

i think eac3togui isn't wrote correctly? the program is looking for my eac3to.exe but i don't have this file, i only have eac3togui.exe. i rename the file to eac3to.exe but this does not work..

[Adbear]

the gui is only a gui, you still need to get the main eac3to program as well

[hddvdsupporter]

oh thanks ;)

however, at this moment i think it's to hard to convert bd2hddvd or hddvd2bd.
why you should convert a blu-ray into hd-dvd or a hd-dvd to a blu-ray. you need the hd-dvd/blu-ray files on a harddisk, so you need a blu-ray or hd-dvd drive. so converting these 2 formats is s*lly..

sorry about my english..

but it's very funny to see the buena vista blu-ray intro on my xbox hd-dvd drive ! =)

[SamuriHL]

They also say to use Nero 7 with the HD DVD/Blu-ray plugin for eac3to as Nero 8 will not work. This may be your next problem once you get the eac3to program.

[hddvdsupporter]

i finished converting part 1 (l0_mainmovie.evo) of alone in the dark (hd) to blu-ray (mpeg2). with audio!! (original was truehd, now it's dolby digital 2.0, thats better than no sound!)
sound an picture do not match 100%, the sound comes ~ a half second earlier than the picture.

but perhaps this is a pal/ntsc problem, so i try it now again and burn the whole thing to a bd-re disc and give it to a friend and he will try it in his ps3..

[hddvdsupporter]

ladies and gentlemen my work is done i think :-)

it was a ntsc/pal problem i was right.

i hold a full lipp-sync blu-ray version of alone in the dark in my hands.

if you can live with a high quality picture and only Dolby Digital 2.0 (192kb) now you will be able to convert hd-dvds to blu-ray.

tomorrow i will test the disc in a playstation 3, i hope it works..


regards

[Adbear]

I've converted a few films from HD DVD to Blu-ray and never heard of an NTSC to PAL conversion problem as Commercial discs don't use PAL or NTSC which is why you can play a disc on pretty much any player once you remove the region coding. Did you re-encode the video or just remux it for Blu-ray? Sounds like you re-encoded it

[DonCarlos]

If I am right you need Scenarist to convert a HDDVD to a Blu ray?! which version are you using 4.1 or 4.2 or doesn't it matter?
Or is there a new way to convert them?if yes how?

[hddvdsupporter]

If I am right you need Scenarist to convert a HDDVD to a Blu ray?! which version are you using 4.1 or 4.2 or doesn't it matter?
Or is there a new way to convert them?if yes how?

scenarist is not needed!

today i convert a blu-ray to hddvd (talladega nights: ricky bobby) to my hard disk as a hd-dvd dl (sure i don't got an hd-dvd burner at the moment)
it's with 5.1 sound and works fine!

for hd-dvd to blu-ray you need

- nero 8.2.8.0 with hd-dvd and blu-ray plugin
- eac3to
- evodemux
- a ripped hd-dvd movie from anydvdhd
- a lot of time
- a lot of hard disk space

for blu-ray to hd-dvd you need
- nero 8.2.8.0 with hd-dvd and blu-ray plugin
- tsremux
- a ripped blu-ray movie from anydvdhd
- a lot of time
- a lot of hard disk space

[DonCarlos]

How about the other way round is that possible? if yes how?

[hddvdsupporter]

yes, its also possible, but right as SamuriHl said the nero audio encoder from nero 8 don't work with eac3to. i can convert the truehd soundfile but not the dolby digital soundfile that i need for my language. so i only have english at the moment ..

[SamuriHL]

Yea, Nero 8 seems to protect their codecs somehow so that others can't use them. A real pain. You can downgrade to Nero 7 and it should work, but, who the hell wants to do that?! :) Hopefully another solution will present itself eventually.

[hddvdsupporter]

yeah i hope slysoft will make a software for converting hd/bd in the future which is more userfriendly than nero ...

btw: it's very easy to split the blu-ray m2ts files with nero, so you can burn a blu-ray movie as a hd-dvd on 3 or 4 dvd+r dl with the new mini hd-dvd feature of nero.

[SamuriHL]

I haven't tried yet. One thing I want to see if I can do is convert an m2ts to Nero digital high quality and see what that looks like. If it gives me better than DVD quality then I could live with that. Of course that means using Showtime to view them but whatever. That piece of junk software has yet to impress me. I can't get HD DVD to play at all in the thing and my Blu-ray images are screwed up, as well. GREAT software. Yea. Also, I have to figure out what I'm going to do about Nero Vision as it gives me the same crash I had with Nero home...it basically BSODs my cable box firewire driver. That sucks because I use that to capture HD ts. My hope, and I still haven't tried this yet due to the fact Nero keeps crashing on me, is that I can take those ts files and convert them to HD DVD format and burn them to DL discs for playback. So far, Nero 1, my machine 0. sigh.

[hddvdsupporter]

I haven't tried yet. One thing I want to see if I can do is convert an m2ts to Nero digital high quality and see what that looks like. If it gives me better than DVD quality then I could live with that.

i tried to convert the m2ts file from patriot (about 31gb) to nero digital (mp4) but with the lowest quality it takes about 24hours to convert ! ;-)

and this quality is not really good..

so it's faster to convert the file to 2 hd-dvdr single layer. i'm confused :-)

[SamuriHL]

I don't necessarily care all that much about encoding time. I care mostly about the results. So, we'll see. I thought I'd have more time to play around with this stuff this week but I've been busy doing house chores instead. sigh. :)

[user198705]

Can someone give me step by step directions on cloneing a blu ray. I do not even know what directory to point CloneDVD to on the the Blu ray disk.

[DonCarlos]

scenarist is not needed!

today i convert a blu-ray to hddvd (talladega nights: ricky bobby) to my hard disk as a hd-dvd dl (sure i don't got an hd-dvd burner at the moment)
it's with 5.1 sound and works fine!

for hd-dvd to blu-ray you need

- nero 8.2.8.0 with hd-dvd and blu-ray plugin
- eac3to
- evodemux
- a ripped hd-dvd movie from anydvdhd
- a lot of time
- a lot of hard disk space

for blu-ray to hd-dvd you need
- nero 8.2.8.0 with hd-dvd and blu-ray plugin
- tsremux
- a ripped blu-ray movie from anydvdhd
- a lot of time
- a lot of hard disk space

Sorry if these are noob questions, but it is better to ask. I expect there is no loss of quality(audio and movie stay the same)? Do I have to reencode something?Is it possible to take the menues with you, so for example the Blu ray movie menues work on a HDDVD?
Could you give me a step by step guide how to do it?(for both ways please)
It really nice of you if you give me these guides because I can rip the movies, and burn them back to a Blu ray but then my knowledge stops....

[SamuriHL]

Can someone give me step by step directions on cloneing a blu ray. I do not even know what directory to point CloneDVD to on the the Blu ray disk.

Well.....for starters, you won't be using CloneDVD on Blu-rays. Second, you need a Blu-ray drive. Third, you need AnyDVD HD. If you have all that, you can make an ISO image using CloneCD/ImgBurn/Nero(pick one) on your hard drive(making sure AnyDVD HD is running at the time you make the image). Then you can use one of those programs to write it out to a blank Blu-ray disc.

[Adbear]

Sorry if these are noob questions, but it is better to ask. I expect there is no loss of quality(audio and movie stay the same)? Do I have to reencode something?Is it possible to take the menues with you, so for example the Blu ray movie menues work on a HDDVD?
Could you give me a step by step guide how to do it?(for both ways please)
It really nice of you if you give me these guides because I can rip the movies, and burn them back to a Blu ray but then my knowledge stops....
It's not possible to take the menu's over as they're structured completley differently. Also unless the audio is standard DTS or AC3 then you would need to fix the audio as well as DTS-HD is not compatible between the 2 formats

[hddvdsupporter]

tomorrow i will release 4 tutorials

-bluray2hddvd
-bluray2minihddvd (dvd+r dl)
-hddvd2bluray
-hddvd2minihddvd (dvd+r dl)

today i try if it works..

regards

[SamuriHL]

That'd be sweet. I would definitely be interested in seeing those.

[hddvdsupporter]

That'd be sweet. I would definitely be interested in seeing those.

the sonic audio decoder for eac3to is much more better than nero. i test it and it's fine.

[zeroprobe]

hddvdsupporter do these guides remux and not re-encode???

also have you got AVC HD-DVD to be Blu-ray compliant?

[hddvdsupporter]

i try to backup avc hddvd to bluray tonight.
nero re-encode the files.

i backed up the first part of Shooter (HD) as a minihddvd on a dvd+r dl, connected the hd-dvd drive on my xbox and it plays fine , but the first 3-4minutes the movie stutter. i don't know if the problem is my pc (core2duo 2,4ghz, 2gb ram, radeon x1950 pro) but i don't think so. i use verbatim dvd+r dl.

the minihddvd plays fine when i play it on my pc. i can't test it with any other hd-dvd player.

with this way you can get 35minutes high definition movie with dd 5.1 on a dvd+r dl.

[SamuriHL]

the sonic audio decoder for eac3to is much more better than nero. i test it and it's fine.

The sonic codecs work for eac3to? Hmmm, interesting.

[hddvdsupporter]

HD-DVD to miniHD-DVD (DVD+R dl) Tutorial

First, you need:

-Nero 8.2.8.0 (with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Plugin)
-EVOdemux
-eac3to
-Sonic Cineplayer HDDVD Decoder 4.3
-a backup of your original hd-dvd with anydvdhd on your HD
-a fast cpu
-a lot of time
-a lot of hard disk space


1. Start EVOdemux, change the audio output to WAV.
1.1 Browse the Evo files you want to demux (like feature_1.evo)
1.2 Deselect the Audio Files that you don't need (like DD+.stream00)
1.3 Press Demux, this should take some minutes.
1.4 Rename manually the selected evo (feature_1.evo) to m2ts (feature_1.m2ts) on your harddisk

you don't have to use the new videofile that evodemux created, use the original one!

2. Start eac3togui and add the WAV file that you need (make sure that there is no "+" in the filename (dd+, rename it to dd)
2.1 Press "convert", this can take some minutes
2.2 Now you have the needed AC3 file.

Notice: At the moment you can not convert EVERY wav file to ac3 with the nero audio decoder. Try to use Sonic Audio Decoder in eac3to instead of nero.

3. Start Nero Vision 5
3.1 Press "make dvd" -> mini-hddvd
3.2 Change the project to a DVD+R DL
3.3 Click on "add video files"
3.4 Add the feature_1.m2ts, this can take some minutes
3.5 After that, press "edit movie"
3.6 Now browse the ac3 file and add it to your movie.
3.7 Split the movie as long as it fits to a dvd+r dl (the movie should have now about 35minutes). Thats very easy with nero vision 5.
3.8 Select a new folder on your hard disk and and press WRITE.
3.9 This can take some hours, but after that you should have a working minihddvd of your movie!


best regards
(c) hddvdsupporter

[DonCarlos]

Thanks you very much I am going to try that . I hope your other tutorials you promised are on the way?

[Adbear]

the downside to this is that it has to re-encode the video and the nero encoder isn't exactly the best one around

[hddvdsupporter]

the downside to this is that it has to re-encode the video and the nero encoder isn't exactly the best one around

than show us a better way please ;-)

[Adbear]

If you have to re-encode the video then I'd demux it then take it into Procoder 3 and re-encode it on highlevel mastering quality

[Rusty257]

hddude

this work for both 264 and vc-1 encoded evos?

[hddvdsupporter]

yes it should work for both

[mabachko]

I use to have a card in my PC that would allow me plug into the TV rca jacks & show whatever I was doing on my PC on the TV. This included movies, wav files. You could use a dvd recorder to record from your PC if you have the disk space. Can't remember the name of the card. It was back in 2000 or so.

[Adbear]

I use to have a card in my PC that would allow me plug into the TV rca jacks & show whatever I was doing on my PC on the TV. This included movies, wav files. You could use a dvd recorder to record from your PC if you have the disk space. Can't remember the name of the card. It was back in 2000 or so.

But that would only give you standard definition not Hi-Def

[mabachko]

Guess I read the question wrong. It would be standard definition.

[Rusty257]

hd

"SHOULD" work? have you tried? i have had no luck with VC-1 encoded EVOs. AVC works fine.

[hddvdsupporter]

hd

"SHOULD" work? have you tried? i have had no luck with VC-1 encoded EVOs. AVC works fine.

VC1 don't work

is there a hd-dvd burning program outside that write the hd-dvd structure on the harddisk first? nero vision re-encodes first, and that s*cks..if nero would write the structure of the hd-dvd first we can burn the files as a dvd iso in udf 2.5

[Rusty257]

not sure, nero 8 can burn hd dvds so i would assume you could create an iso from there. never tried though. also i know in the past it would create those files in a temp (or hidden, cant remember) folder just before burning and i just copied them from there.

[Rusty257]

VC1 now works!! Use nero's last version 8.2.8. Able to get 12.3 GB 1080p down to 3.6 GB 720p. Still no sound but still it now works.

[hddvdsupporter]

good to hear but i think the thread is going about to have the original solution 1920x1080 ?

i don't try to downconvert it, it's useless for me..

[Adbear]

but it's still having to re-encode and the encoder in nero is awful

[Rusty257]

why is it so bad? i never had problems with it at all. other then eating up 60-100% cpu depending on what i am encoding. as for downconverting, it works for me. I have an external drive i dump all my movies to to watch through the 360. Easier for the kids to navigate instead of popping in discs all the time. plus i was an early adopter and only have a 720p TV. waiting for my last tube to die before upgarding. maybe at that point.

although you could just lower the bit rate but yet keep 1080p. not sure how that would look.

[Dobie]

HD-DVD to miniHD-DVD (DVD+R dl) Tutorial

First, you need:

-Nero 8.2.8.0 (with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Plugin)
-EVOdemux
-eac3to
-Sonic Cineplayer HDDVD Decoder 4.3
-a backup of your original hd-dvd with anydvdhd on your HD
-a fast cpu
-a lot of time
-a lot of hard disk space


1. Start EVOdemux, change the audio output to WAV.
1.1 Browse the Evo files you want to demux (like feature_1.evo)
1.2 Deselect the Audio Files that you don't need (like DD+.stream00)
1.3 Press Demux, this should take some minutes.
1.4 Rename manually the selected evo (feature_1.evo) to m2ts (feature_1.m2ts) on your harddisk

you don't have to use the new videofile that evodemux created, use the original one!

2. Start eac3togui and add the WAV file that you need (make sure that there is no "+" in the filename (dd+, rename it to dd)
2.1 Press "convert", this can take some minutes
2.2 Now you have the needed AC3 file.

Notice: At the moment you can not convert EVERY wav file to ac3 with the nero audio decoder. Try to use Sonic Audio Decoder in eac3to instead of nero.

3. Start Nero Vision 5
3.1 Press "make dvd" -> mini-hddvd
3.2 Change the project to a DVD+R DL
3.3 Click on "add video files"
3.4 Add the feature_1.m2ts, this can take some minutes
3.5 After that, press "edit movie"
3.6 Now browse the ac3 file and add it to your movie.
3.7 Split the movie as long as it fits to a dvd+r dl (the movie should have now about 35minutes). Thats very easy with nero vision 5.
3.8 Select a new folder on your hard disk and and press WRITE.
3.9 This can take some hours, but after that you should have a working minihddvd of your movie!


best regards
(c) hddvdsupporter

Hi

I use TmepgEnc4XP to convert TS stream with HD content to mpg files.
I try to keep as close to the original as possible.
I then use the Womble Mpeg Video wizard DVD to make my own mini HD DVDs including chapters, menu's and so on.
The Video wizard has an option to make DVDs with a nonstandard format. So you can make vob-files in your VIDEO_TS map with bitrates of 25000 and more.
If you set the encoder settings to automatic the file will not be re-encoded. This makes the process very fast.
My Toshiba HD-EP10 reads this as regular DVD but you still have the high bitrates. It looks excellent.

Nero 8 and DMF6plus do have an option to make a mini HD DVD but.... they downgrade the resolution and the bitrate to dvd-standards. So the disc can be played with a standard dvd-player but does not has the HD resolution and bitrate. It's like a superbit dvd.

Regards,
Dobiedo

[SamuriHL]

I use TmepgEnc4XP to convert TS stream with HD content to mpg files.
I try to keep as close to the original as possible.


Then you already failed. mpeg2 is an older codec and as such requires a much higher bitrate, and thus higher file sizes in order to achieve 'as close to the original as possible' quality.

[mulox]

Maybe this isn't the right topic (let me know) but what if I want to preserve 1080p HD quality, but just reduce the footprint on my backups? So instead of 45gb for a BR backup, maybe something could get it down to 25gb so I can fit more backups on my 1TB hard drive. Also, is there (or will there be in the future) a single file type (like .mpg) that is 1080p?

[pkh]

You can use tsmuxer to strip down to the main movie alone and make a .ts file.