Movie Only BD Guide [Archive]

SamuriHL

21st May 2008, 21:15

NOTE: If you are using XP, PLEASE ensure you have the Toshiba UDF driver installed!

Update: Please STRONGLY consider using ClownBD (http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=25818) for making Movie Only backups now. It's an excellent utility and until CloneBD is released is really the best option for making Movie Only backups.

If that doesn't work out for you or you really want to do it manually, this guide is still here:

Tools needed:
BDInfo (http://www.cinemasquid.com/Tools.aspx)
TSMuxer (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134104)

-Open BDInfo and determine the playlist of the main movie. BDInfo is designed to show you this information but you will need to determine which one is what you want
-Pick the playlist file of the movie you found using BDInfo. (e.g. 00007.mpls)
-Open mpls file from previous step with tsmuxer. (e.g. 00007.mpls)
-Deselect streams you want to remove
-Output to a blu-ray folder structure
-Use my makeISO (http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=15801) to make a new ISO OR just use ImgBurn directly on the output folder. Make sure to keep the Certificate AND BDMV folders. Set UDF to 2.50. The latest ImgBurn can now detect BD structures and will hopefully assist in setting the right options.
-Mount ISO in Virtual CloneDrive or burn it to disc. Note: Daemon Tools is no longer recommended as the latest version may cause issues.
-Enjoy

PrincipalityFusion has another movie only guide, as well, that has far more detailed instructions. See his guide here (http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=126139&postcount=13).

hlkc

22nd May 2008, 00:16

Hi SamuriHL,

Please correct me if I am wrong - by using this way, we can play the new audio format such as TrueHD today before the new hardware and software available, right?

Do we have to back up again when the new hardware and software available?

Thanks!

SamuriHL

22nd May 2008, 07:57

I'm not sure I follow the question. Whatever is on the original BD, you can master those streams into a new, smaller ISO containing just what you want. Obviously you lose the menu and any extras using this method, but, that is the unfortunate price we pay for making things smaller at this level of the game. So I guess to answer your question, if the original has a TrueHD sound track, just keep that selected when you make your new BD folder structure and your backup ISO will contain it, as well. It'll play as well as the original does.

ge0rgieee

22nd May 2008, 10:59

why are you using eac3to? what function does it do?

EDIT: i'm an idiot, it joins all the playlist files

SamuriHL

22nd May 2008, 11:42

Well, not exactly. It simply lists the biggest playlists which are LIKELY to be the main movie. It assists in joining seamless branching titles automatically by allowing you to find the playlist you need to open in tsmuxer.

hlkc

22nd May 2008, 12:18

Hi SamuriHL,

Thanks for the reply. I realized using this method will save some disk space but I was also under the impression that it will able to output lossless audio format today in a different ways other than HDMI 1.3, before hardware and software in place.

Thanks again!

SamuriHL

22nd May 2008, 12:21

hlkc

22nd May 2008, 12:36

What you're saying makes absolutely no sense at all. Your player controls the output of the audio. If powerdvd downsamples it on the original, it's going to do the same to the backup, as well. Using this method posted here, the audio tracks are identical between original and backup. So I'm not sure exactly what it is you're trying to say there.

I don't remember which AVS threads I read... I read some posts that using this method or at least I thought it is using this way, eac2to, someone was able to output the loseless audio format using SPDIF today. I thought you are providing this method to anyone here want to do that before the hardware and software truly ready for loseless format. I guess not - my bad.

Just wondering using this method from your experience, how many GB or % we will able to save? I understand it is vary from disk to disk but are we talking about 20%, 30% or more?

Thanks!

SamuriHL

22nd May 2008, 15:24

I don't remember which AVS threads I read... I read some posts that using this method or at least I thought it is using this way, eac2to, someone was able to output the loseless audio format using SPDIF today. I thought you are providing this method to anyone here want to do that before the hardware and software truly ready for loseless format. I guess not - my bad.

You misunderstood. That is completely impossible. SPDIF does not have the bandwidth for HD audio of any variety. It will always be downsampled to the core audio formats (ac3/dts).

Just wondering using this method from your experience, how many GB or % we will able to save? I understand it is vary from disk to disk but are we talking about 20%, 30% or more?

Thanks!

Yea, it REALLY depends on the movie. Some movies, for instance, have both a TrueHD and LPCM track. If you get rid of the LPCM track and keep the TrueHD track then you can save a significant amount of space. Others I've only seen a 5 or 6 gig savings on. Most of the ones I've done end up being between 20 and 30 gig whereas they start out at between 30 and 40. Not bad by any means.

raymondtrudeau

23rd May 2008, 09:22

hi thanks for the info,but iam new to this and how do i go about open a command prompt? for example if i backup my bd movie to my k drive.do i just open eac3to in that folder?

and what i like to do is have the main movie only then burn it to dvd9...with this method i will still need to split the movie into 3 or 4 dvd9 is this correct? and sorry but how will i do this..thanks

SamuriHL

23rd May 2008, 09:27

Search this forum for 'command here' and use that .inf file to install a new menu item on your folders called "Command Here". You right click on the folder containing eac3to.exe, select Command Here, and then run the command. Easiest way I know of to do that.

I'm not into the whole splitting idea, but, here's a guide that should help with that:

BD to DVD (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/)

raymondtrudeau

23rd May 2008, 13:25

ok thanks for your help

profcolli

24th May 2008, 00:40

The downsample option in TSMuxer (e.g. for True-HD audio to AC3) may not work on all titles (e.g. National Treasure 2) so you should keep the True-HD audio stream. Also, if there are two video streams (e.g. 720x480 and 1920x1080) make sure you select the 1920x1080 stream because the 720x480 is only PIP video.

SamuriHL

24th May 2008, 10:02

Conundrum

24th May 2008, 15:58

This is the simplest method at the moment to create a stripped down BD movie.

-Open a command prompt to where eac3to (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125966) is located
-eac3to <driveletter>: (e.g. eac3to d: )
-Pick the playlist file of the movie you want. (e.g. 00007.mpls)
-Open mpls file from step 3 with TSMuxer (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=134104). (e.g. 00007.mpls)
-Deselect streams you want to remove
-Output to a blu-ray folder structure
-Use my makeISO (http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=15801) to make a new ISO
-Mount ISO in VCD or Daemon Tools or burn it to disc
-Enjoy

Since we keep posting these directions over and over, I've added it to my signature. I'll update this guide as things get easier. (For instance, I suspect the next version of TSMuxer will probably list the playlist files like eac3to does so that eac3to won't be necessary for the first step) Or if we get blindsided and Slysoft suddenly releases CloneBD that does it all in one easy to use GUI, you know, we'll nuke this guide altogether. :)
Hi,
Thanks for this guide. I like the TSMuxer program it makes things very clear, like labeling which language is which. However I have a problem with the video being jerky. It pauses every so many seconds. Otherwise it looks and sounds great and even the original chapter marks are retained.

What did I do wrong?

SamuriHL

24th May 2008, 16:00

Not sure. Did you get any errors in the log when it was outputting to the new Blu-ray folder? Were you doing it from the original, mounted image, or from a folder on the hard drive?

Conundrum

24th May 2008, 17:11

Not sure. Did you get any errors in the log when it was outputting to the new Blu-ray folder? Were you doing it from the original, mounted image, or from a folder on the hard drive?It was from a folder on the hard drive.
No errors in the log.

everything went smoothly until it tried to play.

SamuriHL

24th May 2008, 19:25

It was from a folder on the hard drive.
No errors in the log.

everything went smoothly until it tried to play.

I'm not sure what's going on there, then. You may want to post a message on the Doom9 forum and see if anyone has any idea. Other than the basic usage, I'm not a guru on tsmuxer by ANY means.

Conundrum

25th May 2008, 12:54

I'm not sure what's going on there, then. You may want to post a message on the Doom9 forum and see if anyone has any idea. Other than the basic usage, I'm not a guru on tsmuxer by ANY means.
I retried this technique with nothing else running in the background. No error reported, the process took just a little over 40 minutes.
The pausing problem is still there. (Tested on Nero, Arcsoft, & Cyberlink)

After it happened again I mirrored the process with TSremux (0.21.2) and both movies I tired seem to play fine, without the pausing problem. Apparently TSmuxer has a problem with my hardware or software, which is a shame because it seems to be capable of doing a better job. I'm hoping the next tsmuxer resolvers this problem.

P.S. I made TS file with tsmuxer seemed to play fine in Nero, it might just be a Blu-ray disc output that I've got wrong somewhere.

SamuriHL

25th May 2008, 12:57

Conundrum

25th May 2008, 18:36

Weird. Like I said, post a message in the tsmuxer thread on doom9 and hopefully Roman can figure it out for you. What if you output an m2ts with tsmuxer and then create the bd folder structure from that using tsremux?
Ok, made a m2ts with tsmuxer, dropped it in the streams folder in the BD files made by tsremux. Moved the tsremux m2ts out of that folder and renamed the tsmuxer m2ts file appropriately (00001.m2ts) and it works beautifully.

I don't get it. I'll try the reverse, putting a tsremux m2ts file in the tsmuxer BD file structure, later tonight. I guess it will let me know if the probelm is with the tsmuxer BD file structure or with the M2TS file made in the Blu-ray disc process.

SamuriHL

25th May 2008, 18:37

That's really strange. You could do a binary compare of the two folder structures (minus the m2ts file as we know that's not the issue) and see what the differences are.

tyee

26th May 2008, 00:42

Just tried this method, here is the output of eac3to

E:\ProgramFiles\Rip\eac3to>eac3to f:
1) 00002.mpls, 00028.m2ts, 1:32:33
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- TrueHD, Japanese, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz

2) 00003.mpls, 00029.m2ts, 0:34:44
- MPEG2, 480i30 /1.001 (4:3)
- AC3, Japanese, stereo, 48khz

I loaded 00002.mpls into tsmuxer and the resulting output had nice video but no audio at all! I selected the Dolby TrueHD as the audio I wanted.
Can anyone see why??

SamuriHL

26th May 2008, 07:23

Are you using PowerDVD to play it back? If so, right click and select show information while playing it. Does it show any info for audio?

tyee

26th May 2008, 11:18

I'm using MPClassic and when I select properties and view the details, I see h264 video but no audio!

The original BR disc plays just fine in MPClassic.

I'll try it again tonight.

SamuriHL

26th May 2008, 16:12

And you're sure MPClassic has a codec for playing truehd and it's not just picking up one of the ac3 tracks instead? (On the original...since you remove the ac3 tracks on the copy, it may not be able to pick up any playable audio...that's my theory)

vamsilak

26th May 2008, 19:10

hey sam
i couldn't find the forum topic of how to close the bd-r disc when u forgot to close

please help me if u can thankyou

SamuriHL

26th May 2008, 19:25

LOL. You lost your own post? :D

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=16693

tyee

26th May 2008, 23:14

By golly SamuriHL your 100% correct! The playback from the computer gave me the commentary which is ac3!

So is there any trueHD decoders I can use with MPC or is it only PowerDVD that can decode it??

Thanks for sorting it out, so far anyway!

I'm trying the eac3to way also, I used this command line - eac3to f: 1)

and I just get the drive humming and grinding on and on. I thought with that command I would get a result back within 10 seconds,no??

Update -- Just tried it with the HDD rip and it works fine, eac3to is now converting the trueHD to ac3 for playback on USB HDD plugged into PS3! But I would like to hear it with a trueHD codec on my computer too!!

SamuriHL

27th May 2008, 08:25

For that you'll need PowerDVD and (currently) analog output to your receiver. If you're trying to play it through SPDIF, it'll always downmix it to the core audio anyway, so you won't get ANY benefit to having TrueHD. So, if you're doing SPDIF, your best bet is to downmix the audio to core AC3 as that's the best quality you're going to get anyway, and it will save you a ton of space. I have my audio output to my receiver via 6 channel analog so I get the benefit of the HD audio formats. (mostly...I could use another 2 channels for full 7.1 but that's another day's concern)

tyee

27th May 2008, 10:12

One more question, I read somewhere that if I use your method, in the first post of this thread, that I CAN copy the Blu-ray folder structure to an AVCHD folder (with a trueHD soundtrack) to an external HDD, then plug it into the PS3 and it will recognize and playback just like a disc! I believe I have to also rename the files to a 3 letter extension, instead of m2ts, I think they must be mts??

Have you heard about this method?? I think it was on doom9 but I can't find it.

Thanks

SamuriHL

27th May 2008, 14:46

I'm not sure. I've never tried it. In theory it should work. Check the tsmuxer thread on doom9 in the authoring section. It's a LONG thread so maybe search it for avchd.

tyee

27th May 2008, 16:37

Found it here --

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1126598#post1126598

Conundrum

27th May 2008, 17:21

That's really strange. You could do a binary compare of the two folder structures (minus the m2ts file as we know that's not the issue) and see what the differences are.
Yeah the M2ts files are fine, it is something in the file structure.
How do I compare the binary?

tyee

28th May 2008, 00:31

SamuriHL

28th May 2008, 08:53

Yeah the M2ts files are fine, it is something in the file structure.
How do I compare the binary?

You'll need to use something like UltraCompare for that. That's the one I use, but, I'm sure there are others that can do the same thing.

SamuriHL

28th May 2008, 08:56

It seems using the first post instructions and copying the BR disc structure to a AVCHD folder on a USB HDD, I can playback video but since the disc had only trueHD english audio I had to select that for tsmuxer and it does not playback from this USB HDD. I know the PS3 supports trueHD from a real BR disc but I guess not from HDD. Can anyone confirm that trueHD will/will not playback from USB HDD?

I was actually wondering if it'd treat it like streaming. You can't stream HD audio to the PS3. But, I thought AVCHD structures were different. I don't have time to play with that concept this week unfortunately. Maybe someone else can confirm it for you.

tyee

28th May 2008, 11:12

Another guy on doom9 is asking the same question, he has tried a few movies and none playback with trueHD. I ran the tsmuxer avchd structure thru eac3to just to see if there was actually a trueHD soundtrack in there and there was so either tsmuxer has a bug when it muxes trueHD or the PS3 does not support trueHD from an external HDD, although the PS3 does now support DTS-HD MA from an external HDD (muxed with tsmuxer) as confirmed by a few guys.

SamuriHL

28th May 2008, 15:24

Sweet. TrueHD is optional for BD support anyway. It's good, and I don't mind it, but, it's not a required audio standard.

thezone

29th May 2008, 08:23

Hi there,

How is it possible to pay back dts hd and true hd from ps3? does this occur through hdmi? I thought they disabled this?

Also SamuriHL,
I posted a question for you here (http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=14989&page=16), if you have a minute to answer it that is.

Cheers mate.

SamuriHL

29th May 2008, 08:42

Depends on what you mean by play back, exactly. If you use Adbear's method, you can play anything the original contains. (He makes backups onto a blank BD-R/E ;)) If you want to make an AVCHD folder structure and shove that onto an external usb drive, apparently it's possible to play back DTS-HD MA tracks, but, not TrueHD. Streaming, otoh, limits you in a whole bunch of other ways. So, currently the best way to play back on the PS3 is to burn a blank BD-R/E. I don't bother. I just play my ISOs on my HTPC.

thezone

29th May 2008, 09:11

Here here, the pq on from my 8600GTS on my HTPC kills the ps3, similarly does the aq from the annalogue outputs direct to my avr. Why is it that the analogue outputs playing back (who knows what, i can't be lossless thru pwrdvd), sounds way better than DTS or DD through spdif?

SamuriHL

29th May 2008, 09:20

Because of the bandwidth limitations of SPDIF. By using analog, you can have PowerDVD decode the HD audio formats to LPCM and drive the speakers directly. In my receiver I can bypass all processing on the receiver...the 6 channel input passes the sound directly to each speaker. So, yea, this is going to be a WAY better experience than AC3 or DTS.

thezone

29th May 2008, 09:27

Yes i to have 6ch direct input- but what you're saying is that pwrdvd can decode hd-audio and send as pcm but this would infer that pwrdvd can decode hd-audio and i thought it just ignored all lossless formats due to pap and just read core 16bit tracks. If this is incorrect and what i am hearing from my avr is pretty close to bitstream lossless, and it does sound pretty damn good, then why would i bother to upgrade to the lastest avr that can decode lossless via bitstream?

SamuriHL

29th May 2008, 09:30

You wouldn't...that's the point. PowerDVD does downgrade the audio slightly. But it's still HD audio and doesn't just do the core audio decoding. It decodes HD audio and down rez's it a bit for very stupid reasons. (Yes, the PAP) And update next month (ha ha) will allow PowerDVD 8.5 to send unmolested audio via hdmi to a receiver. Receivers that can decode the HD audio formats IMO are a waste. I'd rather have the player decode them to LPCM and send that instead. There are reasons for it that I've explained before. Nonetheless, you're getting almost the best audio experience you can get from HD audio with the set up you have.

thezone

29th May 2008, 09:36

Thanks for your time and your helping me to not spend up on new gear that i don't need. i don't what time it is where you are but here in Australia it's getting near midnight and I'm ready to hit the sack.

Cheers once agin for the help!

Regards

Paul

Conundrum

29th May 2008, 23:09

You'll need to use something like UltraCompare for that. That's the one I use, but, I'm sure there are others that can do the same thing.
looks like only two files were off. 00000.mpls (tsMuxeR file is bigger) & 00001.clpi (TsRemux file is bigger)
I swapped around the playlists (Mpls) and it didn't matter. it probably the clpi file or a setting I have wrong.
It should be attached for you to look at.

SamuriHL

30th May 2008, 08:36

Strange. Yea, I have no idea. I guess remaster the m2ts file with tsmuxer and then make a bd structure with tsremux for now. You could also try posting these results in the tsmuxer thread on doom9 and see if anyone has any ideas. Very odd.

jimbo1mcm

31st May 2008, 05:06

I am new to BD stuff, but did do a bunch of SD copying. I ran AnyDisk with Nat Treasure 2. I found stream# 429 which was 29.8GB. I am trying to get it down to under 25 GB to record on one BD. I did Tsremux and kept just the True HD track and put it into a file called NatTreasure.M2ts(4.89 GB). Now I don't know how to proceed further. I will be using Nero 8 later to burn the BD, but after what I did, I don't know how to go on. Please help. Thanks.

SamuriHL

31st May 2008, 09:01

That's cause you didn't follow the guide at all. First mistake, you now only have an audio stream with no video. That's probably not good, eh? :) Second mistake, you output to an m2ts file. That's not overly useful, either. You need to redo this keeping the video, TrueHD, and probably the english subtitle track. And you need to output it to a new Blu-ray folder structure, not a new m2ts file. Once you have the folder structure my advice is to use my makeISO batch file and create an ISO from it. Then burn that using ImgBurn. (The reason I recommend making the ISO first rather than just burning the folder structure is that the batch file will set all the correct options for the ISO so when you burn it you won't have any issues)

andy o

31st May 2008, 10:34

Yup, good advice. I tend to keep the highest quality, smallest audio stream. What I mean is, because TrueHD is only "recommended" for BD and not required to be supported, a lot of studios add another HD audio track such as LPCM. There is 0 difference in quality between a TrueHD or DTS HD MA track and the LPCM track, but, the size difference is huge. Plus by keeping the TrueHD or DTS HD MA track, your player should be able to decode the core audio if you wanted to output via SPDIF, for example. I also keep the english subs because there could be translations to foreign languages as part of the main movie contained in those.

I thought TrueHD does not carry a "core"? I'm fairly sure about it actually. Do you know for a fact that it does? I am also confused by tyee's post, perhaps he can clarify better:

Just tried this method, here is the output of eac3to

E:\ProgramFiles\Rip\eac3to>eac3to f:
1) 00002.mpls, 00028.m2ts, 1:32:33
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- TrueHD, Japanese, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, stereo, 48khz

2) 00003.mpls, 00029.m2ts, 0:34:44
- MPEG2, 480i30 /1.001 (4:3)
- AC3, Japanese, stereo, 48khz

I loaded 00002.mpls into tsmuxer and the resulting output had nice video but no audio at all! I selected the Dolby TrueHD as the audio I wanted.
Can anyone see why??

There is no English AC3 track there, but he goes on to say that he did play the movie which showed "AC3" in the info. Also, there is no Japanese AC3, nor there is a TrueHD French track. If TrueHD doesn't carry a "core" AC3 track (which I'm fairly sure :D), then shouldn't it have been completely obvious that when he could hear the audio and it showed "AC3" it would have been in French? If he was expecting to hear TrueHD it should have been English or Japanese.

Which brings me to this. Maybe TrueHD does carry a "core"? That would completely destroy my whole worldview! I've lived under that assumption all my life! Think of the children! Is there no God?

Someone at AVS mentioned that TrueHD carries a "hidden" track, not exactly a "core" but just hidden somehow, but I have found no evidence nor info on that besides that post. He links to an article that does not say that exactly, but says TrueHD doesn't carry a "core" and it has to be bundled with a DD track on the disc (which doesn't happen with some discs). In all HD-DVDs I have seen that had a TrueHD track, this was true, there was always a DD+ track.

SamuriHL

31st May 2008, 11:09

TrueHD doesn't have a core, exactly. However, I keep it because of this:

All TrueHD players are capable of downmixing the decoded TrueHD audiotrack to an arbitrary number of channels more suitable for player output. For example, all TrueHD-capable players can create a 2-channel (stereo-compatible) downmix from a 6-channel source audiotrack.

In my case I have a PS3 and my HTPC for playback, so, keeping the TrueHD audio track is never a bad thing. PowerDVD knows how to decode it properly even for spdif playback. I'm fairly sure the PS3 can, as well, but, I currently have no way to fully test that theory.

In any case, while it doesn't carry a core track, it's irrelevant to me as the basis is the same...it can be decoded and played back which is all I really care about.

andy o

31st May 2008, 12:07

I noticed that about TrueHD when I first started playing those movies in HD-DVD. I love my Dolby Headphone for late-night viewing, but PowerDVD used to read TrueHD in 2-channel mode when "headphone" output was selected (it should first take the 5.1 channels and then apply DH). I suppose it also happened with Dolby Virtual speaker, but that feature is not worth much for me. I don't know if they fixed it yet, I already got my DH love from my Asus cards.

SamuriHL

31st May 2008, 12:46

Well, I'll be building a new HTPC sometime this summer or fall for my bedroom now that I have an HDTV in there (samsung 40" lcd...couldn't resist the price), but the sound will likely be downmixed to DTS via spdif. Hopefully PowerDVD can deal with that on TrueHD tracks. I could do the analog thing even with those speakers I suppose so either way it's not really a big deal I guess. For now the only playback I have of HD movies is via the 360 for HD DVD and my PS3 for BD. The 360 looks great on that tv. I haven't tried the ps3 because the hdmi cables I ordered haven't come yet. I think they'll be here on Tuesday and then I can try it out. If I ever upgrade my sound system in the living room I'll move the living room's sound into my bedroom. That's beyond overkill but oh well. :)

Anyway, I do like keeping TrueHD due to the size. Much much smaller, and exactly the same quality as LPCM or DTS-HD MA.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 02:47

Webslinger

3rd June 2008, 02:57

Hi SamuriHL,

I am at present using your guide to create movie only bd iso's. I have just one simple question. I ripped most of my bd's in full using imgburn straight to iso on the hdd. How do I convert them back to a folder?

Cheers

Paul

You need to mount them using a virtual drive program.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 03:19

................and................rip them using anydvd hd?

andy o

3rd June 2008, 04:54

................and................rip them using anydvd hd?

Download Daemon Tools, that's what most of us use. Then open it and mount your ISO image. You'll see it as a new optical disc drive, just like if you were playing directly from a disc.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 05:44

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 08:23

Hi SamuriHL,

I am at present using your guide to create movie only bd iso's. I have just one simple question. I ripped most of my bd's in full using imgburn straight to iso on the hdd. How do I convert them back to a folder?

Cheers

Paul

Mount them in Daemon Tools and run this process against the mounted Daemon Tools drive. No need to rerip to folders first.

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 08:24

This method of reducing file size is brilliant! Golden Compass BD has 2 complete versions of the main title, one has p-i-p directors comments edited over the movie. By removing this I managed to shrink the iso size from 45gb to 23.8gb! This seems to good to be true. Can someone please point out some draw back to this.

No menus, no extras are two drawbacks to this. However, I consider the space savings to be worth it. Besides, if I want the menus and extras I'll just pull the titles off the shelf, so, no big deal. This whole method is about being lazy...I.E. mounting and image and just having it play. :) So, really, not a lot of drawbacks that I can see.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 08:38

Thanks for the prompt reply. Can you please tell me how to recognise the eng subtitles required to keep. For example when they are included as translation for some scenes in the main movie. Is it one of the PGS Presentation Graphics Streams?

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 08:42

Yup, that's exactly what it is. I keep all english PGS. Given the many gigs of video and audio, the PGS is tiny in comparison so keeping them is no big deal. I get rid of the foreign ones but I keep the english ones.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 08:46

thanks, I think I may have stuffed up Air Force Once. There are forced subtitles in this movie but I did not keep the PGS. Oh well I'll just do it again!

Cheers!

thezone

3rd June 2008, 09:11

Mount them in Daemon Tools and run this process against the mounted Daemon Tools drive. No need to rerip to folders first.

not sure about this can you elaborate? Once the iso is mounted to say K: I try to run eac3to K: in cmd prompt but it says Souce file "K:" not found.

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 09:17

Uh, you have weird problems then. It works fine for me and others. I've done it many times on my daemon tools drive. Verify that k: is the right drive letter.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 09:23

ok this is what it says in Daemon tools

Device O:[K:]J:\BLURAY\FILENAME_ISO

which is drive letter O or K? I have tied both.

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 09:25

That's not an O it's a 0. :) And the letter is K: so paste AnyDVD's status window for drive k: here so I can take a look at it.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 09:27

Summary for drive K: (AnyDVD 6.4.3.2)
XX1409V DDU456D 1.0
Drive (Hardware) Region: 0 (not set!)

Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 1
Total size: 17839040 sectors (34841 MBytes)
Video Blu-ray label: 28_WEEKS_LATER_F1
Media is not AACS protected.

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 09:28

Weird. You should definitely be able to run the eac3to k: command to get a status of the disc and have it spit out the playlists for you. I'm honestly not sure why it's failing for you.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 09:35

bugger. when i try to click the k: in windows explorer it says "The disk is not formated , windows can not read from this disk." but it still plays alright in pwrdvd

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 09:36

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH. It's all so clear to me now. You're one of them XP boys! You need to install the Toshiba UDF driver. Search the forum.

thezone

3rd June 2008, 09:38

oh how silly. I was in the next day or so about to go to vista home premium. Think maybe i will do so earlier than later.

Thanks you for your help once again!

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 09:40

That's also a solution to the UDF problem, yes. :) Good luck!

nownot

3rd June 2008, 11:25

I'm new and need a little help if ya'll dont mind. I don't understand what audio track to keep, the receiver I have is a Harmon Kardon AVR 146. I'm backing up is blood diamond, when i do eac3to i get

00000.mpls, 00000.m2ts, 2:23:22
-VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
-AC3, English, multi-channel, 48khz
-AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
-AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
-AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
-RAW/PCM, English, multi-channel, 48khz

When I open it up in txMuxeR the audio channels I get for english is
AC3 eng Bitrate: 640kbps Sample Rate: 48kHz Channels:6
AC3 eng Bitrate: 640kbps Sample Rate: 48kHz Channels:2
LPCM eng Bitrate: 4608kbps Sample Rate: 48kHz Channels 5.1 Bits per sample: 16bit

I'm going to be playing this off of my macbook pro with the spif hooked up to my receiver. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.

andy o

3rd June 2008, 11:58

If you're going S/PDIF the easiest way is to keep the AC3 track. You can still keep all if you don't mind the space. LPCM should be the best quality one, but if you want to use S/PDIF it's a bit harder than analog. You'll have to use something that takes that LPCM stream and converts it to DTS or Dolby Digital multichannel before sending to the S/PDIF output. Some software like PowerDVD does that (though it used to have a very bad bug that caused a ringing sound, don't know if they fixed it yet). Also, some soundcards offer these features, called DTS Connect and Dolby Digital Live.

nownot

3rd June 2008, 12:11

Thanks for the response. This shows my lack of knowledge but is ac3 dts? I want the best sound possible size is a small factor in this, if were talking 8 gbs to 1 gbs then I see where size might come into play but anything less then a few gigs is ok with me. I plan on using powerdvd and possibly xbmc (osx port) to play back, but the main question I have is will I be able to tell the difference in ac3 and raw/pcm?

SamuriHL

3rd June 2008, 12:18

Maybe. S/PDIF is dated these days. DTS is the highest quality you can get using it. The LPCM track is severe overkill for S/PDIF as it's going to be downsampled to DTS (assuming you use that option in PowerDVD) which has a max bandwidth of 1536 vs the 4608 that the LPCM track actually gives you. Our advice is going to be try both and see which one sounds better to you. This is going to be a matter of opinion and only yours counts on this issue. :) Try making two new ISOs...one with LPCM and one with AC3...and try them both out. If you can't tell the difference, keep the ac3 track. (No, ac3 is NOT DTS. It's dolby digital. 640kpbs max vs DTS' 1536kbps) You'll have to determine which is better for you.

nownot

3rd June 2008, 12:26

Thanks for the explanation. Will do :)

wow i did lpcm 19 gb's i did ac3 5.1 and its 14 gb. so there is a 5 gb difference and i probably wont be able to tell the difference between them. so i think im going to stick with ac3 :) thanks for the help.

thezone

4th June 2008, 03:22

Samuri,

I have just installed vista ultimate on my machine and trying to play a mounted blu-ray iso in powerdvd 8 but it says that the disc in drive k: is unsupported.

Any ideas?

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 09:19

Yea, that's bad. It likely means the ISO you're trying to play is missing something that PowerDVD 8 requires. PowerDVD 7 was more lenient as to what it'd play. Does it have a certificate folder, for example? It needs one. Do originals play ok? Does a 1:1 ISO play? (Meaning a stright read off the original into ISO format, and mount that without modification of the content). If the answer to either of those questions is yes, then your ISO is missing something.

thezone

4th June 2008, 09:51

The only thing that will play is the original disc. Everything works fine with 7.3319a. Is there any benefit in using 8 over 7?

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 09:53

nownot

4th June 2008, 11:42

ok another question/problem. I bought semi-pro yesterday and trying to do the backup the only audio channels I get is DTS-HD, I used tsMuxeR to do what it does but two problem come out of this.

1) the file cannot be played with power dvd, in tsmuxer i click create blu-ray disc but the m2ts file cannot be played in powerdvd

2) in xbmc (osx port) which i can play the m2ts i get no audio. i believe this is do to the fact that it is dts-hd and not dts (somebody pls correct me if im wrong in this thinking)

So my question is how and what do I need to do? Thanks for any help.

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 11:46

First off, why does everyone try to play the m2ts file directly? This is not a good idea. You should be making an ISO from the new folder you output from TSMuxer and mount that ISO with daemon tools so that PowerDVD sees a drive it can play from. That'll solve that immediate problem. If you need help making an ISO, see my folder->ISO guide.

Second, yes, xbmc is not going to support any HD audio formats. In TSMuxer you can check off the option to extract the core DTS audio from the DTS-HD MA track. That should give you playable audio in xbmc (assuming it supports DTS at all...I have no idea).

nownot

4th June 2008, 12:07

thezone

4th June 2008, 19:06

Some. I'd say you have exactly the problem I described...something's missing. Try making an ISO using my ISO Creation guide from an original that plays, mount that, and play it. I'm fairly confident that'll work.

1) Could you please elaborate on some?
2) I was using your BD movie only guide which removes some of the other folders from the disc structure which I'm sure is why pwrdvd 8 won't play them. Even if what you are saying works, I suppose i can't have it both ways. eg playing a movie only bd with pwrdvd8.

thezone

4th June 2008, 20:30

Things are going from bad to worse since instaling windows vista 64 ultimate. Blu-ray playback is choppy. I can't make it through 5 mins of a movie before I have to re-boot the machine.

Somethings not right. Everything worked fine with xp. tried both current and previous nvidia forceware no diff, still choppy.

Very close to going back to xp.

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 20:58

1) Could you please elaborate on some?
2) I was using your BD movie only guide which removes some of the other folders from the disc structure which I'm sure is why pwrdvd 8 won't play them. Even if what you are saying works, I suppose i can't have it both ways. eg playing a movie only bd with pwrdvd8.

No, that's wrong. I use my movie only backups with PowerDVD 8. But, you must include EVERYTHING that's output from TSMuxer in the new blu-ray folder on your ISO. Which is why I say to use my makeISO batch file on the newly created folder. PowerDVD 8 is more strict about what it'll play. If you're going to make the ISO by hand, inlude everything in the new folder and make sure it's udf 2.50.

thezone

4th June 2008, 22:18

I just realised that not even an actual original disc will play in pwrdvd8 I'm getting the same error about unsuported format. Every thing in my system is hdcp compliant.

SamuriHL

4th June 2008, 22:24

You need to fix that first then. That sucks.

thezone

4th June 2008, 23:13

Another question, can I use tsremux to create a movie only bd folder from the orginal disc? If so would it still be quicker to rip first? Would andvd hd need to be enabled?

SamuriHL

5th June 2008, 07:16

Yes, you can do it from the original with AnyDVD enabled. It would be quicker as you're only "ripping" what you need.

SamuriHL

5th June 2008, 14:30

Alright you lazy slugs, I've updated the main post to make it easier for those struggling with the eac3to command. I gave you 3 options. Those that want to bitch about passing the path to the movie in on the command line to the batchfile are smart enough to figure out how to change it, so, no whining. :) No more "I run it and it just goes away" nonsense. :) Pick your poison.

thezone

14th June 2008, 01:48

Hi SamuriHL,

I just got this error when tsmuxer finished with ripping movie only pirates of caribiean-1.

"AV frame too large (56801 bytes). Increase AV buffer."

The resultant movie willl not play.

Can you help?

In the output window it says

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.8.4(b) http://www.smlabs.net
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 muxing fps not set. Get fps from stream.
H264 bitstream changed: insert pict timing and buffering period SEI units
H264 bitstream changed: insert SPS/PPS units
Decoding PGS stream (track 4): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 3): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976
Decoding PGS stream (track 5): Resolution: 1920:1080 Frame rate: 23.976

SamuriHL

14th June 2008, 08:12

For that type of thing you definitely want to post it on the doom9 forum in the thread for tsmuxer, not here. That's definitely some kind of tsmuxer problem so I have no idea how to fix it.

thezone

14th June 2008, 23:17

For that type of thing you definitely want to post it on the doom9 forum in the thread for tsmuxer, not here. That's definitely some kind of tsmuxer problem so I have no idea how to fix it.

Thanks,

Unfortunatley I tried to register with doom9 forum but it says that it won't let me post a new thread unless I have been a member for at least 5 days! What a joke! Who do they think they are?

I know it's a lot to ask but do you think you might be able to quickly post my question? Please??????:bowdown:

If you have time here (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39) is the link.

thezone

15th June 2008, 18:32

I'll take that as a no.:bang:

SamuriHL

15th June 2008, 18:34

It's better if you wait and post it yourself. They may need more information and I so don't want to be a go between. Since I'm not experiencing the problem, it's not really appropriate for me to post it. They have their rules for their own reasons. But the author is in that thread, so, it's a good idea to be patient and post there. Also, read through that thread. Others have had similar problems to yours if I remember correctly.

thezone

20th June 2008, 22:04

Point taken. I want to thank you for this guide. I have saved an average of about 10gig per movie so far!

Just another quick question. Can spdif carry lossless audio in pcm form or only hdmi?

SamuriHL

20th June 2008, 22:27

SPDIF is outdated and is limited to DTS' max 1.5mbps throughput. Analog and HDMI are the only ways to benefit from HD audio currently.

thezone

20th June 2008, 22:31

ok thanks.

florin

23rd June 2008, 01:53

I wonder if this method to extract only the main movie would work with these steps:

- Boot the PS3 to Linux, do a full (binary) dump of the BD, over the network, to a ISO file on a Windows machine (I'm aware of the PS3 SAK, but I am very comfortable with Linux)
- mount the ISO as a drive using daemon tools
- using AnyDVD HD, rip the ISO to a folder
- apply the method described in this thread to extract only the main movie
It should work, right?

The following is a separate issue, not a question, it's just me thinking out loud:
So let's say I have the main movie already extracted. I wonder if I could put it through an application that can read it and transcode it to a BD or AVCHD-compatible format, but a lower bitrate, so that it would fit on a DVD-9. Sure, the quality will be lower, but I can also transcode the audio track to AC3 (which is good enough quality for me) so that will make more room for the video track.
Keeping only one audio track (and even that converted to AC3), there will be enough space left for video that I don't think it will ever need to be compressed more than 50%.
It can't possibly be worse than cable HD. ;) (OK, that was a very low standard to compare with)
So this would be the poor man's method to put an HD movie on a DVD-9. Just the main movie (which is very often what I prefer anyway), just one audio track converted to AC3.
I'm not sure what will happen with the subtitles. Transcoding with, let's say, Sony Vegas, will probably kill the subtitles track. OTOH, I would like to keep at least one track with subtitles.
Comments?

SamuriHL

23rd June 2008, 08:02

Yes, that will work fine to extract the main movie.

Next, extract the video with TSMuxer or eac3to. Use RipBot to compress the video. Open the video and the movie with TSMuxer. Uncheck the video stream from the original, and add the video you compressed. Deselect anything else you don't want, and keep the subtitles. Write it out to a new blu-ray folder structure and make an ISO out of it. Then you can burn it.

florin

23rd June 2008, 13:16

Next, extract the video with TSMuxer or eac3to. Use RipBot to compress the video. Open the video and the movie with TSMuxer. Uncheck the video stream from the original, and add the video you compressed. Deselect anything else you don't want, and keep the subtitles. Write it out to a new blu-ray folder structure and make an ISO out of it. Then you can burn it.

Sounds like that will take care of the subtitles issue. Good. But my question is - how good is RipBot? Two issues come to mind when talking about compression:

correctness of the result (I've seen countless encoders that generate video that's not compliant to the format standards and is playable only because some players are not strict)
quality: you know, even at the same bitrate, not all encoders are made equal. I may tolerate a lower bitrate, but perhaps that's actually a bigger reason to use as good an encoder as possible, since there's less space for encoder's laziness in the bit stream.

I'm not making any assumptions about RipBot, I just never used it (never heard of it actually) and I'd like to hear some opinions.

SamuriHL

23rd June 2008, 13:59

You will have to try RipBot for yourself. Understand that it ONLY encodes to AVC. So you will lose quality. Currently that's our best option, however.

Tyrod01

23rd June 2008, 14:05

You will have to try RipBot for yourself. Understand that it ONLY encodes to AVC. So you will lose quality. Currently that's our best option, however.

best option for what specificly?

SamuriHL

23rd June 2008, 14:07

Tyrod01

23rd June 2008, 14:27

Shrinking Blu-ray movies. There are other ways to do it out there, sure, but, RipBot makes it fairly easy. Some day I'm sure we'll have even better tools and whatnot, but, for now, RipBot is what I use if I want to shrink a movie down.

On the rare occasions I have to shrink a BD down to DVD size, I use ConvertXtoDVD. However, that's an extra cost option. My needs are different than yours probably. My objective is to stream to my PS3 with as much original quality as is reasonable. I use swordfish as my test video because it's a small file (~16Gb), is encoded VC-1, and has a native ac3 english track. The results of my experiment with 1 video and 1 audio track goes like this.

SWORDFISH vc1 17,762,524 Kb (original)
SWORDFISH avc 19,802,814 Kb (Nero8 reencode)
SWORDFISH mpeg2 22,733,588 Kb (Nero8 reencode)
SWORDFISH avc 6,122,244 Kb (RipBot264 reencode)

The processing options (switches) are what the RipBot author recommended for the best quaility. There's no doubt that RipBot made the file much much smaller, but it sacrificed substantial quality along the way.

My observation is that RipBot output (in this case) is substantially the same as DVD quality. And took 10 hours to run on my system Intel C2D @3.6Ghz, 4 Gb Mem, WinXP x64.

SamuriHL

23rd June 2008, 14:47

The quality I've gotten out of it with my limited testing so far has been very good. Certainly better than DVD quality(which is obviously exactly what you'll get with ConvertXToDVD...that is NOT going to keep as much of the original quality as is reasonable....it's going to turn it into a DVD). Nero has completely crashed on me when trying to do encodes.

florin

23rd June 2008, 14:53

Uncheck the video stream from the original, and add the video you compressed. Deselect anything else you don't want, and keep the subtitles. Write it out to a new blu-ray folder structure and make an ISO out of it.

Which application do you recommend to author the new BD structure?

SamuriHL

23rd June 2008, 14:54

I tend to use TSMuxer for that. Have it output to a blu-ray folder structure and then use ImgBurn to make an ISO from that.

Tyrod01

24th June 2008, 12:57

Nero has completely crashed on me when trying to do encodes.

Nero8 doesn't like to do this recode. Ya have to fool it. Use Nero Vision to "make a bluray disc". Don't let it scan the video (abort the scanning). set video options to the desired output. Video quality to highest. Audio output to DD5.1 (@640Kbs), the best option. No menu. Write to hard disk folder. It'll make a BD structure on your HD. Use the m2ts directly or use the BD structure.

SamuriHL

24th June 2008, 12:59

Hmm, might have to try that at some point. Interesting idea anyway.

raymondtrudeau

24th June 2008, 16:08

this is great to get it to movie only but how can i get it to Blu-Ray to DVD9 lets say 3 or 4 dvd9's.....

SamuriHL

24th June 2008, 16:54

You'll need to split it using tsplitter or whatever it's called. There's a thread on cdfreaks about the whole process.

vamsilak

24th June 2008, 19:57

You'll need to split it using tsplitter or whatever it's called. There's a thread on cdfreaks about the whole process.

iam using anydvd hd rip with desired audi and subtitle
then iam using tssplitter and choose dvd-9
here's the catch( upto two files no problem withts splitter)
more than that giving me problem on some movies like simpson so far

cars- 4 dvd9
foolsgold -3
good luck chuck 3
terminator -2
happy feet 2

SamuriHL

24th June 2008, 20:09

That's not an issue I'm going to be able to help with unfortunately. I have no interest in splitting so I have no knowledge on how to fix it.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 20:55

I got Batman Begins today and followed the steps at to which .mpls file I need and it said this one...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6899/errorqb9.jpg

I tried loading it in TSmuxer to create blu ray disk image and I got this...

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/5171/firsterrorok7.jpg

Is this because Batman Begins has a new protection on it?

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 20:58

Just open the 00000.m2ts file directly. It's not a seamless branching title.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:00

why don't u use when 0000 m2ts file is avaialble in tsmuxer

instead of going to mpls?

whats the use of mpls anyway!!!!!!!!???

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:01

Ok well this is what I got again..

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1637/capturegg7.jpg

Thoughts? I'm reading it from the Blu Ray drive. The files aren't on the computer.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:01

why don't u use when 0000 m2ts file is avaialble in tsmuxer

instead of going to mpls?

whats the use of mpls anyway!!!!!!!!???

It's for supporting seamless branching titles.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:02

No clue. My advice is to post on Doom9's tsmuxer thread. This isn't really a support thread for tsmuxer and that definitely looks like some kind of tsmuxer error.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:03

oh ok

how about when u open the plalist file choose the very first one
i believe u already tried the bigger file in the playlist!!!!

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:06

Can't post since I haven't been registered for 5 days.. :-(

I have the .iso ripped onto the computer.. is there anyway to downsize and just rip the movie with the TrueHD and get it under 25 GB without losing video and audio quality and without TSmuxer?

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:07

oh ok

how about when u open the plalist file choose the very first one
i believe u already tried the bigger file in the playlist!!!!

None of the playlists work, its like Batman Begins has a new protection, I'm using Windows Vista, I'm not running Anydvd or any other programs except TSmuxer.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:08

Yes, but it's a pain in the ass. You'll need to research eac3to options for pulling out the streams. Then you should be able to pull the individual streams into tsmuxer to mux a new bd folder structure.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:09

None of the playlists work, its like Batman Begins has a new protection, I'm using Windows Vista, I'm not running Anydvd or any other programs except TSmuxer.

It's NOT a new protection.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:10

when u try to open it from tsmuxer
is ur anyhd running in the back
just curious

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:11

Wait a minute....you're trying to do this with AnyDVD disabled?!?! Of course you're having issues if that's the case. AnyDVD needs to be enabled.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:13

sam
we are thinking the same
:rock:

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:14

when u try to open it from tsmuxer
is ur anyhd running in the back
just curious

No it's not.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:14

Yea. No need to rip first. Just enable AnyDVD, stick the damn disc in the drive, and open the m2ts file from the disc directly.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:16

it should work now
let us know if it came under 23gb

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:21

I do that then it says anydvd needs to update for batman begins, tries to update then says invalid key! My key is perfectly fine!

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:23

try re start ur pc
and start allover again

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:23

Ok, well, this has been a waste of our time then! You need to post a log and fix the AnyDVD issues first. How did you possibly think this was going to work at ALL if AnyDVD isn't able to decrypt the disc?!

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:24

try re start ur pc
and start allover again

Useless. There are bigger problems. He needs to post a log.

vamsilak

8th July 2008, 21:26

i think so
i guess want to learn the hard way

powerfix

8th July 2008, 21:38

I'll keep ya posted on what happens. Seems like the anydvd installation is messed up.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 21:39

If you are not able to fix it, please start a new thread and post the log. Once that's fixed, then you will no longer have issues with tsmuxer.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 22:09

Got it working, but what do I do here? I want to burn this to a BD-R.

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6971/captureql5.jpg

Is this good, do I check or uncheck anything, Create Blu-ray disk will create an .ISO right?

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 22:12

Well, you opened the wrong playlist for one. Second, read the very first post of this thread.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 22:16

Well, you opened the wrong playlist for one. Second, read the very first post of this thread.

Look at the picture again, I fixed that.

What should I do for the output because the output is to a DVD-ROM drive.. do I do the output to the C: ?

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 22:22

Look at the picture again, I fixed that.

What should I do for the output because the output is to a DVD-ROM drive.. do I do the output to the C: ?

Really just not willing to read the first post of this thread are you? Not gonna hand hold on this one. You need to read.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 22:26

Really just not willing to read the first post of this thread are you? Not gonna hand hold on this one. You need to read.

Sorry but the next step, "Output to a blu-ray folder structure" I don't know what the structure is, I would appreciate any answers.. sorry I'm a noob at this.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 22:27

Sorry but the next step, "Output to a blu-ray folder structure" I don't know what the structure is, I would appreciate any answers.. sorry I'm a noob at this.

It's a folder on the hard drive. The BD structure is a folder that will contain a certificates and bdmv directories. Once that's been created, you create an ISO from it or use something that can burn it directly to disc making sure you use a UDF 2.50 file structure.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 22:35

Alright after this I use Imgburn to create the .ISO then test the .ISO by running dameon tools, then if that works, burn to a BD-RE or BD-R and see if it plays in a standalone player.

SamuriHL

8th July 2008, 22:35

That's the idea.

powerfix

8th July 2008, 23:44

Wow total size is 17 GB! Thats the 1080p and the TrueHD! It didn't re-encode the movie or audio right?

SamuriHL

9th July 2008, 08:14

No reencoding, no. It's just scaled down to the streams you actually wanted. I won't be rebuying that one as it was one of the very first HD DVD's I got. No difference in quality at all. That's why it's so small...it was designed to fit on an HD DVD. Same audio and video tracks exactly.

powerfix

9th July 2008, 09:54

my next question is, how do I include the menu and English subtiles, plus I might want to include the dark knight prologue as well, how can I tell which is which ?

SamuriHL

9th July 2008, 09:55

You don't. This is a *MOVIE ONLY* thread.

powerfix

9th July 2008, 10:05

I know this is a "movie only" thread but hypothetically if I wanted to...

SamuriHL

9th July 2008, 10:07

Then you'd be screwed cause there's no way to do it with current tools. Hence why this is a movie only thread.

powerfix

9th July 2008, 10:07

I burned the ISO to a BD-RE and it doesn't seem to be reading it. Anydvd shows it as batman begins but when I go into my computer it says Insert HD DVD-ROM .. when I mount the 17 GB ISO in dameon tools it reads it. Did I do something wrong in Imgburn?

EDIT:

Nevermind it took a while for Vista to recognize it for some reason... its playing perfectly in PowerDVD right now.

powerfix

9th July 2008, 13:17

When do you think there's going to be an all-in-one program with a GUI that does all this for you, like you choose the video, menu, extras, audio you want, I dreamed that last night. Will my dream come true?

peterbus

9th July 2008, 16:22

powerfix

9th July 2008, 16:49

Ok so I got the .m2ts file for the dark knight prologue for the batman begins.. My question is look here:
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3130/batmanzy7.jpg

As you can see the prologue video and audio is listed first then the movie, does that mean the prologue will play first then the movie? I want the movie playing first then the prologue.. can i do this with no menu? Will this work?

powerfix

9th July 2008, 18:46

Ok I created the .ISO and mounted with dameon tools, all I can choose is the movie video but can alternate between the prologue audio and the TrueHD with the movie.. why can't I get the prologue video?

Tanquen

11th July 2008, 01:22

I’ve just done my first few movies and the first issue I’ve run into is…. The first severial minutes of SURFS UP is choped off. ???

tsMuxeR only gives one option for video.

1) 00281.mpls, 00201.m2ts+00206.m2ts+00197.m2ts, 1:25:31
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- RAW/PCM, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

2) 00282.mpls, 00201.m2ts+00207.m2ts+00197.m2ts, 1:25:31
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- RAW/PCM, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

3) 00283.mpls, 00201.m2ts+00208.m2ts+00197.m2ts, 1:25:31
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- RAW/PCM, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

4) 00272.mpls, 00197.m2ts, 1:21:42
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- RAW/PCM, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz

5) 00242.mpls, 00153.m2ts, 0:17:03
- MPEG2, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
Press any key to continue . . .

vamsilak

11th July 2008, 21:10

hy don't you use the playlist instead of stream

Tanquen

12th July 2008, 01:41

hy don't you use the playlist instead of stream

Sorry, I'll give that a try. Thanks.

dpandkp

12th July 2008, 16:55

Tanquen

12th July 2008, 18:15

Also, are the .MDS and .meta files needed for anything?

SamuriHL

13th July 2008, 10:13

If I follow this guide and strip out everything but the main movie, one audio stream, and one subtitle stream and then put it back as a bluray compliant folder structure and make an iso using the guide aforementioned on the first page, then the resulting image shows up as a dvd-rom once mounted. My question is, did I do something wrong in the conversion process for this not to show as a Bluray image?

My next question is, if i can't or I can, the main goal is to get it to autoplay once mounted so that I can integrate these images into my mediaportal setup on my htpc. Is there a way to make either of these things happen? Thanks a lot.

No, you did nothing wrong. DVD-ROM is what you want it to show up as. The reason for this is technical and it involves a work around for PowerDVD (and probably WinDVD, as well) so that they can play the mounted images. It's perfectly fine.

I can't answer the second question as I have no idea what mediaportal is. However, once the ISO is mounted, it should be treated by the system as just another drive, so, if you have that concept working for the original disc in the drive, it should work equally well for your mounted ISO.

SamuriHL

13th July 2008, 10:13

Also, are the .MDS and .meta files needed for anything?

Not in the case of BD's, no. It's a media descriptor file. Useful on DVD's, but, I don't think it's useful for BD's.

Tanquen

13th July 2008, 14:21

Not in the case of BD's, no. It's a media descriptor file. Useful on DVD's, but, I don't think it's useful for BD's.

Thanks.

Some of the playlists opened in tsMuxer open with an error that the .mpls file is missing or is missing something. Will those movies have issues and what is your overall success rate with the process? I’ve got a macro running that can do 4 at a time as I can only mount 4 ISOs at once. I did not use the playlist on the first batch and they had lost of issues.

SamuriHL

13th July 2008, 14:23

Tanquen

13th July 2008, 14:41

I'm not sure I'd recommend doing more than one at a time, but, if that's your thing by all means. I open the playlist every time now, and since doing it this way I've had far less issues with things going wrong. Never had a playlist file give me an error, though. That seems wrong. So far I've been able to process every movie I've tried.

Well, I’ve got almost four 1TB drives full of movies that I want to shrink. :) Well the macro is cool like that. It waits for one to finish before starting the next one. Running 4 at once takes like 3 or 4 hours but one at a time they take around 6 minutes each. :)
Vantage Point is one of the trouble makers. Eac3to suggest 00217.mpls and 00216.mpls. They both have the same info and running time. If I open either one in tsMuxer I get the error: Unsupported format, Some tracks not recognized. This track was ignored. File name: “F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00217.mpls”

So you like, have to watch each one from start to finish to see if it works? :(

SamuriHL

13th July 2008, 14:42

And you're sure it decrypted properly with AnyDVD?

Tanquen

13th July 2008, 14:55

The original IOS seems fine. Playback seems to be ok after going through the menus. ?

SamuriHL

13th July 2008, 14:58

Weird. I haven't had any problems like that. No idea what to tell you. If it's not a seamless branching title, have you tried opening the m2ts directly instead of the playlist? Also, another possible idea is to rip the raw streams with eac3to and import those into tsmuxer for creation of the BD folder structure.

Seech

14th July 2008, 12:43

I was trying to figure out the eac3to but noticed there is a program called BDInfo. Does not it do the same in an easier way (gives you all the playlist info)?

Also, why make an ISO file when you can just write the two folders you get from the tsmuxer since they are already the blu-ray structure?

I would appreciate any comments.

SamuriHL

14th July 2008, 13:16

Seech

14th July 2008, 13:25

First, bdinfo is apparently new within the last couple months. I'd never heard of it before now. So yes, this could be a potential replacement step to the eac3to instructions. I'll be playing around with it tonight and if I determine it's useful enough, I'll update the main page of this thread.

Because most of us aren't burning? If you want to burn, by all means skip the ISO creation and burn directly to disc. There is nothing preventing that at all.

Thanks. Let us know about what you think of BDInfo (it seems it's been around for a while).

Also, it is my understanding that there is still no software that shrinks blu-ray files. Like if the main movie after you got rid of all unnecessary audio tracks and subtitles is still 25.5 GB, there is no way to put it on 25 GB BD-R, is that right?

SamuriHL

14th July 2008, 13:27

That's not entirely accurate, no. You would have to reencode it. And depending on the original source material, it could work out quite well or you could be losing serious quality. For instance, RipBot is one way to do it, however, it reencodes everything to AVC. So if you start out with a VC1 source, there is the potential to lose quality. And reencoding is NOT a quick process at all. So yea, it can be done but I'd not say it's ideal. :)

ocgw

15th July 2008, 16:51

Well, I’ve got almost four 1TB drives full of movies that I want to shrink. :) Well the macro is cool like that. It waits for one to finish before starting the next one. Running 4 at once takes like 3 or 4 hours but one at a time they take around 6 minutes each. :)
Vantage Point is one of the trouble makers. Eac3to suggest 00217.mpls and 00216.mpls. They both have the same info and running time. If I open either one in tsMuxer I get the error: Unsupported format, Some tracks not recognized. This track was ignored. File name: “F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00217.mpls”

So you like, have to watch each one from start to finish to see if it works? :(

Ignore that error message, I do, & have not had a prob

You can also remux w/ Tsremuxer

ocgw

peace

Ozzlander

15th July 2008, 19:19

If I open either one in tsMuxer I get the error: Unsupported format, Some tracks not recognized. This track was ignored. File name: “F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00217.mpls”
:(

I've had that error once as well... I think it was some 'extra' audio track or something... but selecting the main movie & main english audio track & muxing as blu-ray, the muxed rip worked fine.

Tanquen

15th July 2008, 19:41

I've had that error once as well... I think it was some 'extra' audio track or something... but selecting the main movie & main english audio track & muxing as blu-ray, the muxed rip worked fine.

I’ve done a few now and the only issue I’ve had is that in some titles the last few chapters are messed up. You can’t select inside the last chapter in the progress bar. It just keeps going back to the last chapter. I don’t think I’ll ever care and it’s only like that on like three of the ones that I’ve done thus far.

Also, anyone else have issues with the svchost.exe task grabbing the ISO files. I’m not sure why but it looks to be going through each one sometimes over and over. I turned off indexing. ??? I can’t playback movies while it’s doing whatever its doing. :(

dpandkp

17th July 2008, 18:50

No, you did nothing wrong. DVD-ROM is what you want it to show up as. The reason for this is technical and it involves a work around for PowerDVD (and probably WinDVD, as well) so that they can play the mounted images. It's perfectly fine.

I can't answer the second question as I have no idea what mediaportal is. However, once the ISO is mounted, it should be treated by the system as just another drive, so, if you have that concept working for the original disc in the drive, it should work equally well for your mounted ISO.

Thanks for the response. I ended up cheating it and putting a tiny jpg on the disk so that powerdvd would load it as a picture disk. Maybe other ways around it, but that was quick and I like quick. Another issue has since creeped up on me though.

I store all my Isos over the network and mount them using DT Lite. For some reason, all I get now are 8090000A errors (the one that says to close the drive). I have tried with PD8, PD7 3104, 3304, 3319A and all give the same error. I tried updating to the latest DT Lite version to see if that would fix it, but alas still no love. I guess I will attempt to use the real, full DT program and see if that helps. If not, Im out of ideas.

Weirdly enough, Flightplan, one of the many BR isos on the share, works fine, the others do not. They were all chopped down in size using this movie only method. If there is anything you recommend to try, Im definately open to suggestions. Thanks again.

EDIT:
I forgot to add that if I play them local, they work perfectly fine. It just seems to be over the network.

SamuriHL

17th July 2008, 19:12

Try Virtual CloneDrive.

dpandkp

17th July 2008, 19:35

Try Virtual CloneDrive.

Same issue. Says no disk in drive. On the off chance it is IMGBurn messing up the images, I will try CloneCD, and if that fails Ill try nero.

SamuriHL

17th July 2008, 19:36

Same issue. Says no disk in drive. On the off chance it is IMGBurn messing up the images, I will try CloneCD, and if that fails Ill try nero.

Weird. No idea what could be causing it. I've been mounting images over the network for a few weeks now. No real problems. (other than my network sucks and needs to be rebuilt)

dpandkp

17th July 2008, 19:47

There is something sinister at work here I tell ya. So I accidentally didnt delete the Iso image from my "move over drive" before I put it on the main movie drive. By that I mean I do a lot of testing from my movie drive, and at the time that I had finished ripping the movies I was using that drive, so I stuck them on another drive in the meantime, both in the same computer that I stream my movies from.

Anyway, I thought I was loading the movie from the main drive where I store them, but it was in fact from the intermediate drive. It loaded and worked fine. I said to myself "...". I tried to load the movie from the main movie drive, said there was no disk in the drive. So I jumped from my seat, mad as could be, took the pc apart and checked around inside (it had been awhile since I had). The only difference between the drive it worked from was that it was a USB connected drive, and the main movie drive was sitting on a PCI-E sata expansion card. Could this be the issue?

Well, I'm copying the file to 6 different hard drives now and I'm going to test them all. Of the 10 BR's that wouldnt play on the main drive, all 10 of them have started perfectly fine after moving them over to the USB drive. I shall report my findings in the hope that it helps someone avoid this issue.

SamuriHL

17th July 2008, 19:52

Pretty whacked. I'd say you got some kind of issue going on for sure. I can play from my internal sata drive, usb drives, and over a network share. No problems on any of those.

dpandkp

17th July 2008, 19:55

Pretty whacked. I'd say you got some kind of issue going on for sure. I can play from my internal sata drive, usb drives, and over a network share. No problems on any of those.

I can play them on anything, as long as that thing is local. They work great from my local RAID drives, as well as from internal sata drives that arent raid. It was just killing me going over the network for some reason. Gonna take the scsi cards out and re-arrange things after this initial test. My curiosity is stoked now, even though it seems the issue is solved.

SamuriHL

17th July 2008, 19:56

Yea, like I said, I can play over the network with no issues other than my network is slow at times. A new switch will solve that problem. I have one...just need to install it.

PrincipalityFusion

17th July 2008, 20:53

I can play them on anything, as long as that thing is local. They work great from my local RAID drives, as well as from internal sata drives that arent raid. It was just killing me going over the network for some reason. Gonna take the scsi cards out and re-arrange things after this initial test. My curiosity is stoked now, even though it seems the issue is solved.

An area you might look into is your network. If you're using wireless, you might look at your level of fragmentation for the data packets being transferred. If there is too much fragmentation, that would definitely be giving you playback errors.

If over a wireless network, then what OS are you using for the "server" portion of your setup. Maybe the file protocol being used might be causing issues. If your images play fine locally, they should play over the network (performance issues notwithstanding)

florin

17th July 2008, 21:00

Next, extract the video with TSMuxer or eac3to. Use RipBot to compress the video. Open the video and the movie with TSMuxer. Uncheck the video stream from the original, and add the video you compressed. Deselect anything else you don't want, and keep the subtitles. Write it out to a new blu-ray folder structure and make an ISO out of it. Then you can burn it.

You know what's the biggest problem with tsMuxer? It creates AVCHD or BD disks that keep looping back to the beginning.
I put the disk in the PS3, hit play, it plays the entire title, then it goes back to the beginning and starts playing again! Hey, WTF is that? I didn't tell you to do that. :bang:

I tried it with various sources, including AVCHD clips made with my HD camera. It happens every single time. It's an issue with tsMuxer. I would love to hear a solution.

SamuriHL

17th July 2008, 21:05

dpandkp

17th July 2008, 22:19

An area you might look into is your network. If you're using wireless, you might look at your level of fragmentation for the data packets being transferred. If there is too much fragmentation, that would definitely be giving you playback errors.

If over a wireless network, then what OS are you using for the "server" portion of your setup. Maybe the file protocol being used might be causing issues. If your images play fine locally, they should play over the network (performance issues notwithstanding)

Im using windows server 2008 and it is over a Gig-e wired network. HD-dvds play fine over all shares, but the Bluray ones only play from certain drives. When they do play, they play perfectly. Never once had a single pop in audio or skip in the video. I think the issue is down to the sata expansion card that two of the drives were hooked up through. I'm gonna change out the motherboard with one that I came into possession of after going through my closet today, to see if that changes things at all.

duhwhat

19th July 2008, 12:59

SamuriHL

19th July 2008, 13:56

tried to make a iso using your guide, but powerdvd refuses to play the iso from daemon tools, gives a message about needing periodic updates, then says update complete, and then i'm back to square one. the process repeats any time i try to play the image file. any ideas?

Give us a step by step run down of exactly what you've done and what state AnyDVD was in (disabled, enabled) for each step. Also, what movie it is and the PowerDVD version + AnyDVD version.

PrincipalityFusion

19th July 2008, 15:10

tried to make a iso using your guide, but powerdvd refuses to play the iso from daemon tools, gives a message about needing periodic updates, then says update complete, and then i'm back to square one. the process repeats any time i try to play the image file. any ideas?

make sure you play the iso with AnyDVD HD and that it is a valid version that can access the update server (not a trial)

duhwhat

19th July 2008, 16:18

Give us a step by step run down of exactly what you've done and what state AnyDVD was in (disabled, enabled) for each step. Also, what movie it is and the PowerDVD version + AnyDVD version.i think the poster I am indeed using a trial version of anydvd, so maybe that's the problem. i'm considering buying anydvd, but i won't unless i can verify bd movie-only ripping works and works well, so is there a known bluray that will work with the trial version that i can try out?

this is what i did.

enable anydvd hd 6.4.5.5
insert disc (there will be blood)
use eacto to decide which mpls file to pick (turned out to be 00001.mpls)
selected 00001.mpls in tsmuxer
removed all streams except video, true-hd english audio, and english PSG #0 and #1 (as an aside, is there any tool to decide what's what with PSGs? i read that you keep them just because they take up negligible space next to a 40 gig movie, but is there any way to access these?)
selected "create blu ray disc" in tsmuxer
ensured that the chapters were being automatically detected correctly under the "blu ray" tab
began muxing process... 88 minutes passed
started imgburn, make iso mode
selected the CERTIFICATE and BDMV
selected "UDF" file system
selected "2.5" version of file system
started iso making.
mount in daemon tools
played in pdvd 8.0.1730.50. disc plays fine, iso wouldn't, tried with anydvd enabled and disabled.

does this method make isos that can be burned and played in a stand alone, or will these movie-only isos always be dependent on anydvd hd in the background?

SamuriHL

19th July 2008, 16:39

i think the poster I am indeed using a trial version of anydvd, so maybe that's the problem. i'm considering buying anydvd, but i won't unless i can verify bd movie-only ripping works and works well, so is there a known bluray that will work with the trial version that i can try out?

this is what i did.

enable anydvd hd 6.4.5.5
insert disc (there will be blood)
use eacto to decide which mpls file to pick (turned out to be 00001.mpls)
selected 00001.mpls in tsmuxer
removed all streams except video, true-hd english audio, and english PSG #0 and #1 (as an aside, is there any tool to decide what's what with PSGs? i read that you keep them just because they take up negligible space next to a 40 gig movie, but is there any way to access these?)
selected "create blu ray disc" in tsmuxer
ensured that the chapters were being automatically detected correctly under the "blu ray" tab
began muxing process... 88 minutes passed
started imgburn, make iso mode
selected the CERTIFICATE and BDMV
selected "UDF" file system
selected "2.5" version of file system
started iso making.
mount in daemon tools
played in pdvd 8.0.1730.50. disc plays fine, iso wouldn't, tried with anydvd enabled and disabled.

does this method make isos that can be burned and played in a stand alone, or will these movie-only isos always be dependent on anydvd hd in the background?

Once you rip it to the hard drive as a movie only new BD structure, AnyDVD is no longer involved in the process. I use my makeISO script to create the ISO with ImgBurn and have no problems at all. I'm not using DT anymore as I've switched back to VCD now that the issues I had were fixed. Other than those differences, all should be good with what you're doing. No idea why it's not working for you.

duhwhat

19th July 2008, 18:08

Once you rip it to the hard drive as a movie only new BD structure, AnyDVD is no longer involved in the process. I use my makeISO script to create the ISO with ImgBurn and have no problems at all. I'm not using DT anymore as I've switched back to VCD now that the issues I had were fixed. Other than those differences, all should be good with what you're doing. No idea why it's not working for you.
could it be that i'm using a trial version of anydvd and/or trial version of pdvd?

SamuriHL

19th July 2008, 18:10

could it be that i'm using a trial version of anydvd and/or trial version of pdvd?

If AnyDVD is decrypting the title correctly (check the status window!!) then it's not an AnyDVD issue. And I have no idea about the supposed trial version of PowerDVD Ultra. Some people claim it plays BD. Officially I read it didn't. I have no idea either way as I own the retail version. I've been running some tests with the latest PowerDVD 8 Ultra 1830 and I'm have zero problems. ISO, disc, HD DVD hack, etc. All works.

florin

19th July 2008, 19:13

Yea, I saw that post on doom9 this morning. That's pretty messed up. I don't recall any of mine restarting, but, I don't play them on the PS3. And I never let them play through to the end, either, so, I guess for me it's not a big deal anyway. But yea, that does suck.

I just realized I don't actually need tsMuxer for authoring. It's good for demuxing, muxing, stuff like that, but I don't have to use it to author the AVCHD structure.

All that's needed is a BD/AVCHD authoring software that can take a .m2ts file and a list of chapters defined as timestamps. It must also author without re-encoding and with preserving all the tracks in the .m2ts

joe55

20th July 2008, 01:52

dpandkp

20th July 2008, 02:12

Noobie here,
I've read thru entire thread and after 2 days of effort I'm stuck at this step in the process.

(I hope my eac3to screenshot will show in my actual post)

Anyway the eac3to.txt looks reasonable, but shows no .mlps, and no specific .m2ts file that would allow me to proceed w/ tsmuxer.

Is my eac3to file hosed-up? I created it from Simpson's BD straight from the player. I did succeed w/ Samari's ISO process for complete disk, but stuck trying to reduce file size.
Thanks, Joe

Just for giggles you might try using the batch file method of viewing the streams. Ive not ran into a single problem using that method yet and it has always given me the correct playlist to load into tsmuxer.

duhwhat

20th July 2008, 07:38

If AnyDVD is decrypting the title correctly (check the status window!!) then it's not an AnyDVD issue. And I have no idea about the supposed trial version of PowerDVD Ultra. Some people claim it plays BD. Officially I read it didn't. I have no idea either way as I own the retail version. I've been running some tests with the latest PowerDVD 8 Ultra 1830 and I'm have zero problems. ISO, disc, HD DVD hack, etc. All works.daemon tools was the culprit, my how the mighty have fallen! switched to vcd and the iso played with no problems.

SamuriHL

20th July 2008, 09:24

I just realized I don't actually need tsMuxer for authoring. It's good for demuxing, muxing, stuff like that, but I don't have to use it to author the AVCHD structure.

All that's needed is a BD/AVCHD authoring software that can take a .m2ts file and a list of chapters defined as timestamps. It must also author without re-encoding and with preserving all the tracks in the .m2ts

There are a couple software packages that can do that. Hopefully that'll solve your issue.

SamuriHL

20th July 2008, 09:30

Noobie here,
I've read thru entire thread and after 2 days of effort I'm stuck at this step in the process.

(I hope my eac3to screenshot will show in my actual post)

Anyway the eac3to.txt looks reasonable, but shows no .mlps, and no specific .m2ts file that would allow me to proceed w/ tsmuxer.

Is my eac3to file hosed-up? I created it from Simpson's BD straight from the player. I did succeed w/ Samari's ISO process for complete disk, but stuck trying to reduce file size.
Thanks, Joe

Yea, it's the log file that's causing it. Either run it from the command line directly or use the batch file. I ran the same command as you on my mounted ISO of simpsons and got the same results. That's pretty messed up. I still need to look into a program someone found that gives the mpls info in a windows app. Just haven't had time. For now, either use the command line version or the batch file and it'll work.

SamuriHL

20th July 2008, 09:31

daemon tools was the culprit, my how the mighty have fallen! switched to vcd and the iso played with no problems.

Hence why you always see me recommending VCD these days. ;)

joe55

20th July 2008, 18:34

Noobie crawling back for 2nd time:
Previous help got me the proper eac3to.txt file, and ID'd 00117.mpls as playlist file.

Problem now w/ tsMuxerGUI v. 1.3.4:
1. Input files portion of dialog box I click add and browse to 00117.mpls (BD in optical drv) by accepting "all file types".

2. When I click Open on the browse box I get msg "Can't find tsMuxer or depend library". I OK that msg away.

3. Immediatly get 2nd msg "Can't detect streamtype. Filename F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00117.mpls". I OK that msg away and continue completing tsMuxer form.

4. Output section select "M2TS muxing".

5. Click "Start muxing" button...get "Can not create file" msg.

6. As a seperate tact I tried navigating windows file system (whatever they call that thing these days) to 00117.mpls file and open with tsMuxer ...from that I get the msg "Can not create file F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00117.mpls.

7. After that I drank a beer, B4 deciding to post another SOS.
Thanks fer reading, Joe

SamuriHL

20th July 2008, 18:44

tsmuxergui 1.3.4?? Huh. Alrighty then. I don't have any idea what it is you're using.

http://www.smlabs.net/tsMuxer/tsMuxeR_1.8.4(b).zip

That's what you SHOULD be using. Extract that somewhere, open up the tsmuxergui program, and then open the mpls without having to do any all file types nonsense. I'm 100% sure that's your issue.

SamuriHL

20th July 2008, 19:09

I've updated the guide with information on a program called BDInfo. Thanks to Seech for pointing this one out to us. I wouldn't have known to look at it without his advice. BDInfo will give you the mpls that you need VERY easily. Awesome gui that gives all kinds of info. Very helpful little tool.

florin

20th July 2008, 23:48

There are a couple software packages that can do that. Hopefully that'll solve your issue.

I would appreciate if you could provide some examples. I tried a few things but it looks like AVC is too new to be well supported.

http://www.smlabs.net/tsMuxer/tsMuxeR_1.8.4(b).zip

There's a 1.8.5 somewhere, dig through doom9, somebody posted a URL somewhere. I'll send you the file if you can't find it.
I'm using it and it seems to work fine. I don't know what's the difference from 1.8.4

SamuriHL

21st July 2008, 08:30

I would appreciate if you could provide some examples. I tried a few things but it looks like AVC is too new to be well supported.

Ulead DVD Movie Factory supports it. Nero can do it. There's a Sony authoring package who's name escapes me right now that can do it.

There's a 1.8.5 somewhere, dig through doom9, somebody posted a URL somewhere. I'll send you the file if you can't find it.
I'm using it and it seems to work fine. I don't know what's the difference from 1.8.4

I know, I've had it since they posted it, but, there doesn't seem to be any difference whatsoever. So, it didn't seem critical to point to it.

pacificdune

21st July 2008, 16:17

I was able to back up a movie only iso and play it, but just seems like a lot of steps. For some reason eac3to (or windows for that matter) does not see my BD directly. I need to rip it to disk first using anydvd ripper. My steps are as follows:

1) Rip to disk using anydvd ripper.
2) Run eac3to to find playlist.
3) Run tsmuxer to create new BD folders.
4) Run ImgBurn to creat iso.

Is this reasonable or should I be able to skip step 1 and run step 2 directly from the BD? I have the same problem when I mount a complete BD iso with Virtual Clone Drive. eac3to or windows can not see the files. Seems like a redundant step. Is this normal? If not is there anything I should do to correct it?

Thanks!

PD

SamuriHL

21st July 2008, 19:01

It's because you're likely using XP and have no UDF driver installed. Install the toshiba UDF driver (search the forum) and skip step 1.

pacificdune

22nd July 2008, 03:24

It's because you're likely using XP and have no UDF driver installed. Install the toshiba UDF driver (search the forum) and skip step 1.

Sweet got it thanks... Had to trick it but not too big of an issue. Only thing was locating the temp directory that it uses...

Even got the uninstal should I ever need it, but don't see why.

You guys rule!

Cheers,

PD

SamuriHL

22nd July 2008, 08:31

Awesome. Glad that helped!

duhwhat

22nd July 2008, 10:14

piratburner

28th July 2008, 02:03

SamuriHL

28th July 2008, 07:17

is there any free software that can play decrypted m2ts files besides pdvd? i've tried vlc (0.8 and 0.9 from the nightlies), gom player, and mplayer, and they all fail. i have the adobe master collection, is there any application in that suite that can serve as a BD player?

Some people have had some success with Nero. PowerDVD to a point will play it but it's not recommended. Make an ISO and play it like a normal BD. Much better solution than trying to play the m2ts.

SamuriHL

28th July 2008, 07:20

When using m2ts with TrueHD, the output is not ok, when playing at my tvix I don´t have any sound! It's have been confirmed by other also, but the sad is the developer of tsMuxeR not do anything more with this great tools, so I using TsRemux instead.

Yup, common complaint. And the developer doesn't seem to be interested in developing this further which is a shame. I keep hoping maybe Slysoft will surprise us one day but I think that's a while off. Developing tools for BD is not an easy task unfortunately. At least we've come this far with the tools. So far, I'm impressed. DVD took a while in the beginning, too. We're getting there with BD.

mike_r

6th August 2008, 06:53

There is a small problem with the method mentioned on seamless branching movies (eg. click, ratatouille, cars open season to name a few) - Video doesn't work on TVIX 6500A & audio goes out of sync due to overlaps. Demuxing all streams with eac3to (I'm using V2.56) and then remuxing with TsMuxer (V1.84) seems to do the trick.

As the process can take a while, I leave my machine overnight:

1. demux
2. if audio gaps exist (ie .gaps files) then demux again
3. convert eac3 to ac3 (only intereding on HD-DVDs)
4. convert hd-dhs to dts

I simply run the following BAT file and go to bed:

@echo off
set pathToEac=d:\TVIX\eac3to\
set pathToMovie=E:\

%pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%pathToMovie%"

SET /P Playlist="Type Playlist (eg 1) And Press Enter "
If not "%Playlist%"=="" Set Playlist=%Playlist:~0,1%
echo Entered %Playlist%)

%pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%pathToMovie%" %Playlist%) -demux

if exist *.gaps %pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%pathToMovie%" %Playlist%) -demux
if NOT exist *.gaps echo "No Gaps Found"

for %%A in (*english*.eac3) do %pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%%A" "%%A".AC3
if NOT exist *english*.eac3 echo "No English EAC3 Found"

for %%B in (*german*.eac3) do %pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%%B" "%%B".AC3
if NOT exist *german*.eac3 echo "No German EAC3 Found"

for %%C in (*english*.dtshr) do %pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%%C" "%%C".DTS -core
if NOT exist *english*.dtshr echo "No English DTSHR Found"

for %%D in (*german*.dtshr) do %pathToEac%eac3to.exe "%%D" "%%D".DTS -core
if NOT exist *german*.dtshr echo "No German DTSHR Found"

pause

My example assumes:

. "1)" is the main movie - but you might need to change this in both places if
it's different.
. you want English and German audio

The next day you build everything back together with TsMuxer

I hope this helps

Tanquen

17th September 2008, 14:50

I’ve been using your method for awhile now but the last few movies I’ve seen some graphical glitches. The movies play fine but then there will be maybe ten or so trashings where some of the image stays and breaks up but is quickly cleaned up throughout the movie. Not unlike an HD broadcast from time to time. With Bee movie the disc was fine the ISO with everything was fine but just the remuxed ISO had the issue. I had been muxing directly from the disc and when I made an ISO and then did the muxing it was ok but now I’m seeing it again. Any ideas? It’s a real drag as you must watch the entire movie to see if it has any hiccups.

SamuriHL

17th September 2008, 17:46

Nope, no clue. I've not had any problems.

hlkc

17th September 2008, 17:49

Tanquen

17th September 2008, 19:44

It’s kind of odd. I had a bunch of full ISOs that I used the method on and all seems well with those. Not watched them all though. One of the bad ones was Bee Movie and one I just did was Baby Mama. I did a couple of test with Bee Movie and seems that just doing the tsMuxeR part again delivered a different result. So it’s happening randomly. I’m using tsMuxeR GUI 1.8.4 and ImgBurn 2.4.1.0. I also try to make sure that I’m not doing anything else with the PC at the time. ???

Tanquen

17th September 2008, 22:00

Yes but I use it for everything, games, movies, work, editing and so on.

BDMinus

17th September 2008, 22:36

Wow! what a interesting post.

To play these ripped BR, you do not need HTPC comsume 300, 400W power. You need a HD media player such as limHD-310s or TVIX-M6500A.

it's small, nice consume 30W of power instead of 350W or more with HTPC

Wouldn't these be just an extra expense? I already paid (at the time) 1,000+ USD for my PC not including the tv which was another 700+ USD I'm not going to shell out more JUST to watch movies. If i wanted to do that i'd just get a standalone player. And I think anyone with a hd dvd/blu-ray capable HTPC attached to a widescreen tv isn't too worried about the electric bill.

mbeezie

30th December 2008, 21:57

2. When I click Open on the browse box I get msg "Can't find tsMuxer or depend library". I OK that msg away.

3. Immediatly get 2nd msg "Can't detect streamtype. Filename F:\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00117.mpls". I OK that msg away and continue completing tsMuxer form.

I'm having this exact problem on the first BD disc I'm trying to make a copy of (Iron Man).

I've located correct mpls (with with the help of BDInfo) but when I try to add that file to tsmuxer i get those errors and can't continue.

Is there anything else that needs to be installed that will allow tsmuxer to run properly that I might not have installed?

I'm trying to shrink Iron Man to fit on a 25GB disc.

SamuriHL

30th December 2008, 22:05

Did you read the first post of this thread? Did you make sure you have the UDF drivers installed?

mbeezie

30th December 2008, 22:11

Did you read the first post of this thread? Did you make sure you have the UDF drivers installed?

Yes, they are installed.

SamuriHL

30th December 2008, 22:29

mbeezie

30th December 2008, 23:04

Then I'm afraid I don't have a lot of advice for you unfortunately. One thing you can attempt to do is rip it to a folder on your hard drive using the AnyDVD Ripper and try to open it with TSMuxer from the ripped folder. A royal pain I agree, but, it might work.

I should have mentioned I used the Rip to Image option and mounted the iso with Virtual CloneDrive (which is where the file I was trying to get into tsmuxer resided). My intention is to burn a BD-R SL backup of Iron Man, assuming I can get the file size down. But tsmuxer just doesn't like me :)

SamuriHL

30th December 2008, 23:06

I should have mentioned I used the Rip to Image option and mounted the iso with Virtual CloneDrive (which is where the file I was trying to get into tsmuxer resided). My intention is to burn a BD-R SL backup of Iron Man, assuming I can get the file size down. But tsmuxer just doesn't like me :)

Ahhh, no, that explains a lot. Please temporarily disable AnyDVD for the virtual drive while you have that image mounted and try again.

mbeezie

30th December 2008, 23:55

I get the same errors with AnyDVD not running, with two different iso files made by AnyDVD HD from different Blu-ray discs.

:bang:

Is tsmuxer the only means to shrink a blu-ray movie currently?

SamuriHL

30th December 2008, 23:56

Then I'm afraid I don't have a lot of ideas. You could try to split out the streams you want with eac3to and import them into TSMuxer to make the BD structure. It's a pain in the ass but it should work. Otherwise I really don't have a clue. Sorry.

mbeezie

31st December 2008, 00:03

Thanks for your help.

I guess I have to just leave this stuff alone until dual layer media comes down in price :(

Edit: Ah! So, turns out I'm an idiot. I thought you could run the GUI front end without the other executable file there. I had thrown out everything else other than the GUI thinking I'd never use the command line version but didn't realize it was required for the GUI to function. Sorry for wasting your time, and thanks for your patience!

SamuriHL

31st December 2008, 00:39

Also know that Slysoft is working on a CloneBD type product that will allow you to remake your BD's. There's no ETA on when it'll be released, but, we're told it's in the works. So, that will be an option...some day. :)

For now you can try my eac3to suggestion. You just give it the folder. So you'd do something like this:

eac3to c:\folder\where\movie\is\ripped -demux

eac3to is command line, so, it's best to put it in your path somewhere. Open a command prompt to where you want to extract the streams and then just run that command. That'll give you everything you need to import into TSMuxer to make your movie only backup. It's not the fun or easy way, but, it should work for you.

mbeezie

31st December 2008, 10:42

That sounds ideal :)

My only remaining questions revolve around how to know which tracks to remove from the stream in tsmuxer. Is there a FAQ on tsmuxer around here? I can only find bits and pieces of it talked about (ie. I know i have to remove the 'unwanted' material, but I do not know how to identify what I actually do want, aside from the h.264 1080p video track. How do you identify the superfluous material?)

On Iron Man, I got rid of everything but the h.264 video track and the TrueHD audio (since, i think, this is the only track in english?). The AC3 tracks were different languages (which I assume is smaller in size that the TrueHD one) and then i just got rid of the PGC (are those subtitles?). I have no need for HD audio and I assume that takes up a fair amount of space...but there wasn't an AC3 english track there. Does that force me to use the HD audio?

The resulting blu-ray structure played and had audio, but is still too big (around 29 GB) to fit on a SL disc.

SamuriHL

31st December 2008, 10:52

mike_r

31st December 2008, 10:53

eac3to c:\folder\where\movie\is\ripped -demux

the -demux option got removed in V2.85, the new option is:

* using "eac3to source movie.*" demuxes video, audio and subtitle tracks

SamuriHL

31st December 2008, 10:56

I used -demux last night with 2.87. It didn't seem to care that I added it in there.

mbeezie

31st December 2008, 11:00

You have to decide what it is you want to keep or not keep. Sounds like you kept the right things in your Iron Man backup. And yes, a lot of times they do come out larger than what will fit on an SL disc. You're way over as the capacity of an SL disc is not really 25gb. It's closer to 23gb. The presentation graphics chains (subtitles, yes) don't take up a lot of room so I always include those in my own backups. A lot of times there will be forced subs for things that might be said in another language even though you're watching it in english. If you don't care about the HD audio, you could extract a core AC3 (from TrueHD) or DTS (from DTS-HD MA) audio track and use that. TSMuxer allows you to do that by clicking on the audio track and then checking the downconvert option. That should save you some space.

Great stuff about the audio. I'm muxing it now (but not too optimistic that it will save me 5gb :)). So in the even that even the absolute most stripped down version of the movie will not fit on a SL disc you would need something to compress the video (something like ripbot?)

I was trying to avoid video compression at all costs because I'd like the video to be the same as the original.

SamuriHL

31st December 2008, 11:04

Yes, that's right, you'd need to compress it if it still doesn't fit. RipBot or MeGui are good options for that. They will require a significant amount of time even on a fast machine. The only other option if you want to avoid all this nonsense is to use DL media which as you already pointed out, is not cheap. This is the exact reason why I invested in building an HTPC with a lot of hard drive space. I find it easier to just mount ISO images on the hard drive and play them that way rather than having to burn images to expensive discs. Still, even with that method doing movie only backups saves space.

mbeezie

31st December 2008, 11:52

Gotcha. Yeah, still 25.76 GB. Close, but no cigar. But at least I know what I'm doing now. I really appreciate your patience.

SamuriHL

31st December 2008, 11:55

Not a problem at all. you're still about 2 gigs away from your goal. At this point you'd have to do some minor compression to get that kind of space. This is why I wish we had a transcoding engine for BD's. 2 gigs may seem like a lot but if you transcoded it you'd probably not notice. Reencoding for 2 gigs is overkill but necessary in this case.

hamisht

5th January 2009, 00:44

-Output to a blu-ray folder structure

Is this just a lot of folders named the same as the ones on a blu-ray disc? set out the same way, or just a 'STREAM' folder?

SamuriHL

5th January 2009, 08:32

Is this just a lot of folders named the same as the ones on a blu-ray disc? set out the same way, or just a 'STREAM' folder?

HUH? It's a BDMV and Certificate directory at the root level. In the BDMV folder there's a bunch of folders. All required to play on a stand alone player.

dmlanman

9th January 2009, 22:38

Ok so I have been trying to get my backup copy of Step Brothers playing on a BD-RE SL in my PS3 just for practice. I followed the guide and did it this way (I do have Anydvd running in the backgroup):

Used BDInfo to get the right playlist
Loaded that in TSmuxer
Deselected everything but the Ture-HD audio and the h.264 video
Did the Create Blu-ray Disk option
Put it in an ISO with Imgburn using UDF 2.5

I mount the ISO with dameon tools and it plays perfectly with PowerDVD. I then burn it to my BD-RE and play it in my LG drive and again it plays with no issues. I think I have got it! WRONG!

I put it in my PS3 and it plays but with no audio. I start messing around with the settings and just tried Bitstream instead of LPCM and restarted the movie and I hear sound. However, the audio is stuttering (breaking up) bad but video appears to be fine.

What am I doing wrong? I have been trying to create a back up just to learn the process for about a month now and I am at my witts end.

SamuriHL

9th January 2009, 22:43

Using TSMuxer for TrueHD. That'd be your issue. I've said this multiple times. TSMuxer is a fine tool and I'm glad we have it, BUT, it's not without issues. Try it this way. Demux the streams with EAC3TO (from a cmd prompt in the directory you want the streams to be extracted to, type eac3to x: 1) -demux where x: is your BD drive). Once the streams are demuxed, rebuild the BD folder structure with TSRemux, *NOT* TSMuxer. Burn that with ImgBurn using UDF 2.5 and see if that works in your PS3.