Daemon Tools V4.30.0301 stops PDVD8 playback

[Bon]

I installed Daemon version 4.30.0301 (as an upgrade on a Vista 32 pc) and now PDVD8 won't play my Blu-Ray iso images on scsi virtual drives. When I try to play a mounted image PDVD8 recognizes the iso as a blu-ray and shows "play" but shortly after it says "stopped" and throws up a window that says: "CyberLink PowerDVD requires perodic updates to continue playing back some new disc titles. Would you like to update now?" It doesn't matter what iso image I mount; as the result is the same. Sometimes I see "file mode" flashed up when PDVD is getting ready to try to play the iso.

I'm not having any trouble playing the original disc using PDVD8 in the physical combo drive at all. I've played all of my iso images previously without problems. I'd sure like to roll back and try the old version of Daemon Tools but their key system won't let me do that.

Unless someone else has good results with the current version I'd recommend staying away from it for now.

[SamuriHL]

Seems a lot of people having the same issue. I recommend Virtual CloneDrive instead.

[Bigrick]

ever since the last update for VCD came out i uninstalled DT and never looked back. thanks Slysoft :clap:

[SamuriHL]

Yea, me too. I'm quite pleased with it myself.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Well... I have to admit... I have no idea what in heck happened but now I can't watch mounted BD images using DT either. I just tried the other day and had no issues. I'm utterly baffled.

I don't know if the problem is with the 1830 update to PDVD8 or the 4.30 update to DT.

[SamuriHL]

It's DT. Something got pooched in the latest version for sure. Oh well. I like VCD better anyway.

[Bigrick]

It's DT. Something got pooched in the latest version for sure. Oh well. I like VCD better anyway.

do you think they might have taken out the ability to play mounted BD or just a minor screw up ?

[SamuriHL]

Sounds more like a bug to me. There is no way in hell given DT's history that they'd do this intentionally to placate Cyberlink or the movie industry. Think about what DT does. :)

[Bon]

Well, I tried Virtual CloneDrive without success so now I'm beginning to suspect CyberLink updates may have had a hand in this. My version is 8.0.1730.50. :mad:

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Well, I tried Virtual CloneDrive without success so now I'm beginning to suspect CyberLink updates may have had a hand in this. My version is 8.0.1730.50. :mad:

I installed VCD 5.4.0.4 beta and it works fine with the same BD image that I couldn't play with DT 4.30. Of course, uninstall DT and the SPTD driver before installing VCD. I used Appleseed Ex Machina BD as my test image.

Btw, you should update. You're a version behind. Cyberlink released build 1830 the other day. Update your PowerDVD8 install.

[Bon]

I just installed PDVD build 1830 and the results are, unfortunately, the same. I'll uninstall DT and VCD and then start over with VCD.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I just installed PDVD build 1830 and the results are, unfortunately, the same.

Sorry, I don't know what to suggest. :(

Maybe SamuriHL will have some ideas when he's around next.

[Bigrick]

I just installed PDVD build 1830 and the results are, unfortunately, the same. I'll uninstall DT and VCD and then start over with VCD.

are you using 32bit or 64bit and where exactly did you get the files from. i want to make sure you have the correct ones

[Bon]

Well, well, good news. Since the updates to PDVD didn't work I was about to uninstall DT - but - before doing that I decided to reboot. Now VCD works great! However, DT still doesn't. Must be a bug in the latest release of DT. Well, I'm happy with VCD and may never look back. Thanks to everyone :clap:

[SuperGoof]

Everything works fine for me with "DAEMON Tools Lite v.4.30.0" and PDVD 8.0.1830 on 32-bit Vista SP1. Mounted images, both decrypted and encrypted (with AnyDVD enabled), play as before. VCD 5.4.0.4 also works.

"DT 4.30.0301" - is it "Pro Standard" or "Pro Advanced" version? Because Lite is 4.30.0.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Everything works fine for me with "DAEMON Tools Lite v.4.30.0" and PDVD 8.0.1830 on 32-bit Vista SP1. Mounted images, both decrypted and encrypted (with AnyDVD enabled), play as before. VCD 5.4.0.4 also works.

"DT 4.30.0301" - is it "Pro Standard" or "Pro Advanced" version? Because Lite is 4.30.0.

My problem was Daemon Tools Lite 4.30.0 and Vista Ultimate x64 SP1.

[Bon]

Everything works fine for me with "DAEMON Tools Lite v.4.30.0" and PDVD 8.0.1830 on 32-bit Vista SP1. Mounted images, both decrypted and encrypted (with AnyDVD enabled), play as before. VCD 5.4.0.4 also works.

"DT 4.30.0301" - is it "Pro Standard" or "Pro Advanced" version? Because Lite is 4.30.0.

My version is DT Pro Advanced 4.30.0301 and I'm running 32-bit Vista SP1. As a reality check I also tried DT Lite 4.30.0 but the results were the same. My images are all decrypted with AnyDvd HD. I've tried running with ADHD running and not. The only thing that works for me is currently VCD.

[scmeis1]

My version is DT Pro Advanced 4.30.0301 and I'm running 32-bit Vista SP1. As a reality check I also tried DT Lite 4.30.0 but the results were the same. My images are all decrypted with AnyDvd HD. I've tried running with ADHD running and not. The only thing that works for me is currently VCD.

I have Vista 64 sp1, and out of curiosity, I tried the new version of DT. All ISO's I had stopped working within seconds of startup. I figured I would test and find out. I have VCD and I have no issues at all.

[SuperGoof]

This is all very weird... Why does everything work for me then? In fact, I have just discovered that with DT 4.30.0, WinDVD plays mounted Blu-ray images for the first time! (I have WinDVD BD 8 for VAIO installed, but I'm pretty sure WinDVD 9 will work too.)

[James]

This is all very weird... Why does everything work for me then? In fact, I have just discovered that with DT 4.30.0, WinDVD plays mounted Blu-ray images for the first time! (I have WinDVD BD 8 for VAIO installed, but I'm pretty sure WinDVD 9 will work too.)

Are you mounting .iso or .mds files?

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Are you mounting .iso or .mds files?

Hmm... interesting now that you ask that. I always mounted MDS files in the past using awxDTools for DT but now you can directly mount ISO images with DT. I started just mounting the ISOs w/o using the MDS files.

[SuperGoof]

Are you mounting .iso or .mds files?

.iso. It was created using Roxio 10 main program ("Home") from the original disc with AnyDVD disabled. Now I mount it and enable AnyDVD for playback (Samuri's method).

I doubt I've ever seen .mds images. :) The only other image types I've seen were .bin and .img.

EDIT: Sorry, if .mds are those small text files which come with actual image files, such as .bin, I've seen them.

EDIT 2: But images, created with ImgBurn out of folders on hard drive also play fine in PowerDVD (did not test WinDVD yet).

[James]

.iso. It was created using Roxio 10 main program ("Home") from the original disc with AnyDVD disabled. Now I mount it and enable AnyDVD for playback (Samuri's method).

I doubt I've ever seen .mds images. :) The only other image types I've seen were .bin and .img.

EDIT: Sorry, if .mds are those small text files which come with actual image files, such as .bin, I've seen them.

EDIT 2: But images, created with ImgBurn out of folders on hard drive also play fine in PowerDVD (did not test WinDVD yet).

A theory... I assume it works for you, because you use the SamuriHL method: DT emulates a BD-ROM, AnyDVD changes this to BD-R, works with PowerDVD. Mounting a decrypted image without AnyDVD will fail, as PowerDVD sees a BD-ROM without AACS. I don't think AnyDVD will change the media type, if the disc (image) doesn't have AACS.

Virtual CloneDrive emulates a DVD-ROM with BD structures, that's why it works. We'll change this in a future release, you will be able to specify the disc type to be emulated in the .dvd file (HD-DVD, BD-ROM, BD-R, whatever you like).

[SamuriHL]

Neat. That'll be a sweet little addition.

[damnskippy]

Agreed, nice addition that gives us a little more control.

[SuperGoof]

I don't think AnyDVD will change the media type, if the disc (image) doesn't have AACS.

Can you change this? :) E.g. can you make AnyDVD to turn BD-ROM into BD-R regardless whether AACS is present or not? This should be a simple change. Please!!!

This will fix this no-playback issue with the latest version of DT and will enable playback with WinDVD as well!

[SuperGoof]

A theory... I assume it works for you, because you use the SamuriHL method: DT emulates a BD-ROM, AnyDVD changes this to BD-R, works with PowerDVD. Mounting a decrypted image without AnyDVD will fail, as PowerDVD sees a BD-ROM without AACS.

Yes, James. You are absolutely right. Those two decrypted images which PowerDVD did play only worked because ImgBurn created them as DVDs, because they were small. Full size decrypted Blu-ray images mounted with DT 4.30 cannot be played by either PowerDVD or WinDVD.

And this is because latest DT has proper support for BD images :) :

Release Notes, version 4.30.0301:

What's new:
- Redesigned user interface;
- Updated and improved images engine;
- Speed optimization;
- Ability to burn images onto physical CD/DVD/HD DVD/Blu-ray discs (for Advanced version);
- Erase rewritable discs;
- File Associations for supported images;
- Blu-ray and HD DVD devices supporting;
- Image topology information dialog.

[SuperGoof]

Can you change this? :)

I think I have come up with a new slogan:

"Yes, We Can! Slysoft." (Slysoft should come with a fox logo).

:)

[roog]

I'm using Vista Ultimate 64 and the problem only occurs on ISOs created from discs previously ripped to folders with AnyDVD HD enabled. I also had AnyDVD HD enabled when creating the ISOs with Imgburn. The files that I created directly from disk, with AnyDVD HD disabled (Samuri method), work fine.

[locoeng]

The 'create dvd mds file' option in ImgBurn can be used to make an MDS for Blu-ray ISO images so that the new daemon tools shows the disc as DVD-ROM and not BD-ROM, therefore enabling PowerDVD to play them again. Powerdvd won't play BD-ROM without AACS and the new DT mounts v. large images (bigger than 4169920 sectors - the size of a DVD-9 disc) as BD-ROM rather than DVD-ROM as the previous version did. But if you make an MDS file where DT is told to say it's a DVD-ROM disc PowerDVD will play it just fine (assuming you mount the MDS and not the ISO of course).
ImgBurn isn't making an image as DVD/BD whatever, the ISO is always the same. The difference comes from mounting ISO's of different sizes (controlled by DT) or by the mounting of an MDS where the disc type is specified within it.

@supergoof

Glad you got it sorted

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=122512&postcount=13

[Franklin]

The 'create dvd mds file' option in ImgBurn can be used to make an MDS for Blu-ray ISO images so that the new daemon tools shows the disc as DVD-ROM and not BD-ROM, therefore enabling PowerDVD to play them again. Powerdvd won't play BD-ROM without AACS and the new DT mounts v. large images (bigger than 4169920 sectors - the size of a DVD-9 disc) as BD-ROM rather than DVD-ROM as the previous version did. But if you make an MDS file where DT is told to say it's a DVD-ROM disc PowerDVD will play it just fine (assuming you mount the MDS and not the ISO of course).
ImgBurn isn't making an image as DVD/BD whatever, the ISO is always the same. The difference comes from mounting ISO's of different sizes (controlled by DT) or by the mounting of an MDS where the disc type is specified within it.

@supergoof

Glad you got it sorted

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=122512&postcount=13

Where is the setting in ImgBurn to make the MDS file label the iso as DVD-ROM?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

locoeng just referred me to this thread to save him acting as the middle man!

The 'Create DVD MDS File' feature always makes MDS files where DT will emulate a DVD-ROM disc. So basically you don't need to do anything, it just works.

[havnfun]

The 'Create DVD MDS File' feature always makes MDS files where DT will emulate a DVD-ROM disc. So basically you don't need to do anything, it just works.

Thanks LIGHTNING UK! for all your hard work.

So your saying that with our already created ISO's, that we just need to load up IMGBURN and do the "Create DVD MDS File" from a previously created ISO? Then when we run DT it thinks the BR ISO is a DVD and will run ok? That is awesome. I have been pulling out my hair trying to get BR ISO's to work with PDVD on my laptop that I had to rebuild. They used to work ok before and I couldn't figure out what I did to break things. Good to know it was DT. Seems like all the software companies are out to get us. Nice to know there are some good guys like Slysoft and LIGHTNING UK! that are looking out for us little guys who want to enjoy the HTPC experience.

[SManu]

now i can open my BR image with Windvd... so it's a good news for me
thanks again to SamuriHL for the great guide, i rip my BR with imageburn without anydvdhd... i use it only for playing
it works now with Windvd and Powerdvd like a charm :agree:

[tbessie]

The 'create dvd mds file' option in ImgBurn can be used to make an MDS for Blu-ray ISO images so that the new daemon tools shows the disc as DVD-ROM and not BD-ROM, therefore enabling PowerDVD to play them again. Powerdvd won't play BD-ROM without AACS and the new DT mounts v. large images (bigger than 4169920 sectors - the size of a DVD-9 disc) as BD-ROM rather than DVD-ROM as the previous version did. But if you make an MDS file where DT is told to say it's a DVD-ROM disc PowerDVD will play it just fine (assuming you mount the MDS and not the ISO of course).
ImgBurn isn't making an image as DVD/BD whatever, the ISO is always the same. The difference comes from mounting ISO's of different sizes (controlled by DT) or by the mounting of an MDS where the disc type is specified within it.

@supergoof

Glad you got it sorted

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=122512&postcount=13

I'm having the same problem - I'll try this, thanks!

- Tim

[rockon1]

I have this problem too,not being able to play blue-ray once ripped unless I leave copy protection. I'm using Windvd9. HDdvd are no problem so far. Try doing the .MDS thing still no go, not sure what I might be doing wrong. I've tried both daemon tools and Virtual clonedrive. I've used Imageburn to create .MDS file once the iso has been created with anydvdHD. The .MDS file ony ends up being a few k's big, is that correct or should it be the same as the original ISO file? Any ideas? Thanks

[Blazkowicz]

Please wait for a DT Update and/or use Virtual CloneDrive.

[rockon1]

Tried Virtual clonedrive, same thing.

[Adbear]

You have to remove DT and the SPTD that it installs as well otherwise you'll keep getting the errors

[rockon1]

Removed DT. Now whats the best way to remove SPTD. I'm running XP. Thanks for your help. New to all this HD ripping and mounting stuff.

[SamuriHL]

You have to get the stand alone SPTD installer. That can uninstall it. The DT installer will not do it.

[rockon1]

Must be WINDVD9. cause when I use powerdvd 7.3 (the one that came with my drive) It works!! But I only get two channel with it.

[SamuriHL]

The OEM version only does 2 channels, yes. And you need a .DVD file for Virtual CloneDrive to emulate BDR so that WinDVD will play it.

[rockon1]

The OEM version only does 2 channels, yes. And you need a .DVD file for Virtual CloneDrive to emulate BDR so that WinDVD will play it.

Is there a way to do this? Or should I just upgrade my powerDVD. And if I do the upgrade to my OEM version, will it keep the HDdvd playback.

[SamuriHL]

Sure, check out the Virtual CloneDrive thread for a couple batch files that'll spit out the .DVD files for you. Or just create one yourself. It's a text file. You need the ISO file on one line and mediaType=BDR on another. As for PowerDVD, I wouldn't upgrade to 8 if you can help it. I'd do 7 if possible.