Batman Begins hangs up in PowerDVD

[Tox]

BD-J of Batman Begins keeps hanging while loading in builds 3104 and 3319 of PowerDVD 7.3. Does somebody know a build which will work with this movie?

[Bigrick]

upgrade to the newest powerdvd 7.3 i think its 4407 if you stick to older versions you will continue to have problems and you should try looking into making an ISO of your movies. I'm guessing since your using those versions your playing from a folder which you will start to face alot of problems with newer bluray movies

[Tox]

I wouldn't hesitate a second if there was a wider support of nrg image files in some more virtual disk drives, because i don't like isos so much as you are forced to use ntfs because you cannot split isos up so easily and i want to keep my flexibility to store the images on fat32, too, which is possible with nrg images. i also don't want to use the (in my opinion) amateurish dvd file format which is generated by clonecd.

so it's very unlikely that i will switch to isos and i would love somebody telling me a PowerDVD build that works (if exists).

[Adbear]

You have no choice but to use a later version than 3319a so you will have to make an ISO and mount it in VCD. 3319a was the last version that supported from folder and it doesn't work in versions that early

[Tox]

so evil cyberlink :mad:

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

so evil cyberlink :mad:

How is it evil? One thing people need to remember is that CyberLink can only do so much. As much as I dislike CyberLink they are at the mercy of the Industry and as the new profiles and such are added to BluRay then updates are required for playback. You simply cannot expect an ancient version of PowerDVD to work forever because it lacks the new features, fixes, etc.

Yeah, I know there are bugs in the newer versions but that doesn't take away from the point of my statements.

[Bigrick]

if i were you, TOX and you were ready to upgrade i would stick, for now, with powerdvd 7.3 at the time there are no problems with it like version 8 . myself i have both but at the moment only 7.3 is installed just because of all the problems with 8. but if you still want to keep it in a folder of course it wont play but what you can try is maybe using TSmuxer to strip all the features and just keep the movie. what i have noticed when people run into a problem like this if they just keep the movie they can still play from folder. but im not 100% certain

[Tox]

As much as I dislike CyberLink they are at the mercy of the Industrythis is their own fault. if they had had a spine they wouldn't do just everything they are commanded by industry. there is not only technically absolutely no need to remove playback from harddisk but also no legal reason. in aacs licences nobody ever forbids playing back from harddisk. they get 100 bucks every time people buys their callow software. they should have enough money to pay their lawyers to get rid of the pressure of the industry. besides in my opinion 100 is absolutely to much for a single player software which gets removed features more and more (playback from hdd, playback of hd dvds) and gets new features i absolutely do not need (movie collection, movie remix). if they would do what people would like to have people would like them and they would have a lobby they could count on.

and as the new profiles and such are added to BluRay then updates are required for playback. You simply cannot expect an ancient version of PowerDVD to work forever because it lacks the new features, fixes, etc.I can expect a design of a data format and standards (bdmv, bd live) and the corresponding software to be complete prior to the publishing. imagine microsoft or sap sold a half-done operating system or half-done software for small and medium-sized businesses. it would be a scandal. a fortiori if you had to download the whole software again and again each time it gets updated, what is absolutely inacceptable. imagine each security whole in windows would be fixed by installing a new windows. updates are only for bugs and improvements, be it usability or speed, and maybe from time to time for a new (useful!) feature.

i accuse cyberlink to stir up the whole problem by being a spineless flip-flopper and being a supporter of bluray (there hadn't been such problems with hd dvd as the specification was completely implemented in the very first version of pdvd 7.3) as they obviously removed the support for hd dvd without any hesitation, that it is. and that's why they are evil. in contrast, slysoft is good because they are listening to their customers and they do what they like, not some rich film industry, you see the difference?

[Adbear]

You are joking I hope. The BD format wasn't even finished when they started to release discs on it, and is still changing even now, that's why many of us preferred HD DVD as it was a finished format. As they keep adding to the format of BD then the software has to be updated to keep up with it, you can thank the BD forum and Sony for that. You can't blame Cyberlink for the changes in the BD standard that keep coming out, even standalone players have to have updates when certain discs come out that use the Java weirdly

They removed the HD DVD implementation in PDVD 8 because they didn't see the point in paying extra licensing fees for something that was already dead. They only removed it because Toshiba had already stated they were stopping making the players which was just before the official release of Version 8. Before that they had full support for both formats, and they continue to bring out updates for 7.3 which supports both formats

[Tox]

You are joking I hope. The BD format wasn't even finished when they started to release discs on it, and is still changing even now, that's why many of us preferred HD DVD as it was a finished format. As they keep adding to the format of BD then the software has to be updated to keep up with it, you can thank the BD forum and Sony for that. You can't blame Cyberlink for the changes in the BD standard that keep coming out, even standalone players have to have updates when certain discs come out that use the Java weirdlythat's exactly what i think but i claim cyberlink has joint guilt for not exerting pressure themselves to the industry.
They removed the HD DVD implementation in PDVD 8 because they didn't see the point in paying extra licensing fees for something that was already deadthen why not just removing support for DVD-Audio as there are approximately as many users who have HD DVDs as users who have DVD-Audios ;)

[Webslinger]

I am in agreement that HD-DVD support removal sucked as did removing support for folder playback. I was not happy with either move. I'm just speaking from the perspective of an end-user.

Oh . . . and buggy playback software drives me nuts (and they are all buggy; some more than others)

[Adbear]

Well as to the DVD-audio, the licensing fee is probably negligible unlike the licensing fee for HD DVD. And back when they removed the hard drive playback they were pretty much the only HD DVD/Blu-ray playback software, and if they were threatened with either remove the hard drive playback or lose the license then they wouldn't have much choice

[BDMinus]

this is their own fault. if they had had a spine they wouldn't do just everything they are commanded by industry. there is not only technically absolutely no need to remove playback from harddisk but also no legal reason.
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the aacs license doesn't need to explicitly state that playback from folders is not allowed, because to get in on the harddrive in the first place you have to bypass aacs. If you have valuables in a safe, you don't leave the safe open wide just because the front door is locked.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Without replying to the entire posting, Tox, you need to realize that CyberLink supported both formats. With the death of HD-DVD and the likely way the licensing was written for HD-DVD support CyberLink was likely unable to allow HD-DVD playback in PowerDVD8. We're talking about contracts, licenses, money, etc. The licensing probably only stipulated HD-DVD playback in PowerDVD7 and by allowing v7 and v8 to be installed simultaneously they have likely done an end run around the technicalities of the license without breaking it.

The BluRay format was not finalized and, yes, CyberLink and every other company is at the mercy of the Industry. Don't for a second think they aren't. If companies break their licensing agreement then Sony and the other BD backers will have their ability to play BDs yanked. You can't have not thought about that. Many people are at fault for BD winning the format war but the real people to blame are the Studios who got paid off. The software companies supported what the Industry/Studios released.

Now, what I will be interested to see if if verison 10 of WinDVD and version 3 of ArcSoft TMT can play HD-DVD. I'm interested to know what their licensing allows.

[Tox]

And I am interesed in how long I will have to update to get upgrades and when the whole BD specification and implementation process will be done. ;)

[Adbear]

I wouldn't expect it to be finalised in the next year or so as they keep coming out with more useless crap to add on to it

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

Here is what Steve Jobs has to say about BD licensing:

"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. I don't mean from the consumer point of view. It's great to watch movies, but the licensing is so complex," Jobs said. "We're waiting until things settle down, and waiting until Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace before we burden our customers with the cost of the licensing and the cost of the drives."

As an Apple user I would be impatient about BD playback but I can fully understand Apple waiting on BD.