Kung Fu Panda Movie Only

[plouie10]

Hi
I purchased Kung Fu Panda Blu-Ray and decided to experiment with movie only under the Movie Only BD Guide under Frequently asked questions. I use BDinfo to get the main movie file (22GB) then use tsmuxer to extract the file using Blu-Ray movie output. But when I play the resulting file, it has the directors cut movie with the main movie audio. Has anybody had any success in this movie or any suggestions.

Thanks
Phil

[damnskippy]

This is a common question/issue I have not read the guides in a while but if it is not in there one of the auths might think about adding it :)

You need to make an ISO image out of the directory with IMGBurn then mount it with Virtual Clone Drive and play it that way. PDVD (not sure about TMT) will play the first audio track it sees when playing from the file directly and it will not play any of the HD audio formats.

[plouie10]

Okay, that takes care of the audio, but why when after running it through tsmuxer does is now show the directors cut and not the main movie? When originally playing M2TS it shows the main movie, but after I run it through tsmuxer, it's the not the main movie?
Thanks
Phil

[damnskippy]

Video and audio are separate so saying main "main movie" means nothing in what you said above.

Think about it, is the video you are seeing the "main movie" but with the wrong audio (as far as what you want)? That is because audio and video are not combined into one but are just played at the same time is one way to think of it. If there was a video track for every audio option even a BD 50 could not hold it all.

So make an ISO and see what happens.

[plouie10]

Sorry
Thanks for your help, I'll try to be more specific. I did make an ISO image. What's strange is that when I open the original M2TS file in PowerDVD, it plays the main movie. The audio is there, but the voices are faint. I'm not worried about that, as perhaps it is grabbing the wrong audio track for my PC. But after running this file through tsmuxer, creating an ISO and playing it through PowerDVD,it is now playing a whole different scene. It shows the directors talking and showing the actors, etc., basically something totally different, yet it still has the correct sound track. I've tried the PrincipalityFusion guide which through tsmuxer you can now choose the mpls file and it will do the rest. It turns out the same.Anyways, I do appreciate all help. I was wondering if anybody was successful in doing this as movie only.
Thanks again
Phil

[SamuriHL]

Yup. I was very successful. I transcoded it to an Apple TV format file for my kids to play (emulates a Digital Copy from iTunes that comes with other movies). Had 0 issues at all with it. Amazingly I followed my own guide. :D

[plouie10]

Would you mind trying your method and then creating ISO image and trying playing on Power DVD? I would really appreciate it.I must be doing something wrong.....:confused:
Thanks
Phil

[SamuriHL]

I'll have to redo it. It'll take a little bit of time. Give me 2 hours.

[SamuriHL]

For this little venture I selected 00004.m2ts directly instead of using the mpls and I kept the following streams:

2, 3, 8, 9, 13, 17

No processing on the streams at all. Meaning I kept TrueHD as a TrueHD track. It's muxing now. I'll make an ISO after it's done. I'm almost postitive it won't play in TMT at all (no sound...stupid tsmuxer bug) but it'll be fine in PowerDVD.

[SamuriHL]

Done, mounted, and played flawlessly. (TMT still doesn't like it as we suspected it wouldn't) PowerDVD 7 played it back with no problems. You have the steps I used to make it.

[plouie10]

Thanks for all your effort.
I will try that tonight. Can you tell me what version of tsmuxer you are using?
Phil

[SamuriHL]

1.8.8.......

[plouie10]

Thanks for you help. Looks like ver 1.8.8 did it. The version I was using 1.8.4b was what was screwing it up.
Thanks again for you help and patience.
Phil

[SamuriHL]

Excellent. Glad you got it sorted out.

[plouie10]

Wrong again. Found out that when I left the other Profile : High@3.2 stream in, that's what went wrong. When I chose only the 1 stream like you did. High@4.1. Works okay.
Live and learn.
Thanks
Phil

[SamuriHL]

That'd do it. I only keep what I want. :)

[plouie10]

Okay,
Now I need to pick your brain being new to this and all. If I read the forum correctly, tsmuxer cannot do High Def Audio, so it converts this down to DD or DTS? Now can I just eliminate the HD audio all together when using tsmuxer and say choose ac3?

Thanks
Phil

[Rusty257]

Thats what I do. I always downconvert to AC3. Never had an issue. Every MB counts, well nowadays every GB counts.

[SamuriHL]

Uhhhh, what? No one ever said tsmuxer can't do HD audio!!! That's simply not true at all. It has problems with TrueHD tracks, but, PowerDVD is able to play th results just fine. If you decide to "just choose ac3" 9 times out of 10 you're going to get director's comments and wonder why. No, you want to keep the HD audio if you have equipment that can play it. If you're using S/PDIF to your receiver, then you're never going to get HD audio anyway as the player downmixes it to a core audio format (DD or DTS). In that case you can save yourself some space by extracting a core audio track from the HD audio, but, this is not the same as just picking any old ac3 track in the list. If there's a TrueHD track, you can extract an AC3 core track from it by clicking on the TrueHD track in the list, making sure it's checked to keep it, and checking the extract core audio checkbox. The same goes for DTS-HD MA tracks...you can do the same thing and extract a DTS core track from it. But, TSMuxer does support HD audio and can extract core audio tracks from it if you desire.

[SamuriHL]

Thats what I do. I always downconvert to AC3. Never had an issue. Every MB counts, well nowadays every GB counts.

Please don't confuse the issue. What he's suggesting is not the same as down converting (extracting the core audio, IOW) the HD audio tracks, as I explained. He's looking at selecting another track which is going to potentially give the wrong results. Extracting core audio if you don't need the HD audio tracks is definitely viable, yes. I personally have HD audio supporting equipment so I keep the highest quality, most compressed track I can. But if you want core audio, extract it rather than just attempting to pick another track and hoping for the best. :)

[Rusty257]

Insert Rob Schneider comment in every Adam Sandler movie "You can do it!!"

Thats what I meant yes. Sorry Samwise.

[SamuriHL]

Insert Rob Schneider comment in every Adam Sandler movie "You can do it!!"

Thats what I meant yes. Sorry Samwise.

I know what you meant. :) But, they may not have quite fully understood. TSMuxer makes our lives easier in some ways but is still confusing to people. And with the stupid TrueHD bug, it's not a great situation. But it's all we have for now.

[Rusty257]

Know what you mean. Sure will be nice when the new AnyDVD muxer program or enhancement comes out.....hint, hint......knock, knock....anyone there?.....did you hear that....wonder if anyone is listening.

[SamuriHL]

No, they're not listening. :) We can only hope they're working on something but we don't have any idea if and when a CloneBD type program will be released. But I'm quite sure they know there's demand for it.

[plouie10]

Okay,
I guess I didn't understand what the bug is. I too have HD audio thru HDMI available and do love the HD audio. When I did the Kung Fu Panda, it was stuttering too much and I couldn't get any audio to work but directors comments, etc. did work. The 2/3.1 DD that showed up when I pressed the audio on remote didn't have any sound at all, but I'm thinking it might be because of the disc and the stuttering. That's why I thought that it didn't give me the HD Audio track. I'll experiment again tonight following your instructions to make sure it extracts the HD audio. This tsmuxer program is great I agree, but also agree that it's a bit confusing. Again, trial by fire. Thank god for BD-RE.

Thanks again.
Phil

Uhhhh, what? No one ever said tsmuxer can't do HD audio!!! That's simply not true at all. It has problems with TrueHD tracks, but, PowerDVD is able to play th results just fine. If you decide to "just choose ac3" 9 times out of 10 you're going to get director's comments and wonder why. No, you want to keep the HD audio if you have equipment that can play it. If you're using S/PDIF to your receiver, then you're never going to get HD audio anyway as the player downmixes it to a core audio format (DD or DTS). In that case you can save yourself some space by extracting a core audio track from the HD audio, but, this is not the same as just picking any old ac3 track in the list. If there's a TrueHD track, you can extract an AC3 core track from it by clicking on the TrueHD track in the list, making sure it's checked to keep it, and checking the extract core audio checkbox. The same goes for DTS-HD MA tracks...you can do the same thing and extract a DTS core track from it. But, TSMuxer does support HD audio and can extract core audio tracks from it if you desire.

[SamuriHL]

You'll get there. Keep trying. I've not tried burning a TrueHD track to BD-RE for playback on my PS3. I'll add that to my list of things to try at some point. The problem is they tend to be bigger than 24gig so they don't fit on my SL BD-RE's. I keep meaning to grab a couple panasonic DL's but they aren't cheap.

[hitmancano]

Pluie10 and SamuriHL,

I am no expert on this. But I have used Anydvd and Txmuser and finished about 6 blu-ray on TDK BL-RE and played all well on my PS3.

But the Kung Fu Panda and Madagascar 1 gave me the trouble Pluie10 was having ( no audio but directors comments). And I used tsmuxer 1.8.8 and Anydvd 1.6.8.1.

The only thing I've noticed was that Anydvd gave me "unknown region code" error on these 2 movies.

Pluie10, see if you can put in your region and let us know.

I am waiting for those 2 movies in and try again.

I am having fun so far and hope you all too.

Hitmancano

[plouie10]

Not quite sure by your explanation if we have the same problem, but with me it was I had the incorrect video and correct audio. What I found out thanks to SamuriHL was if I took out the 720P stream (which was the directors cut) and left the 1080P stream, it all worked okay. I didn't have any reference from ANYDVD on region code.

Phil

Pluie10 and SamuriHL,

I am no expert on this. But I have used Anydvd and Txmuser and finished about 6 blu-ray on TDK BL-RE and played all well on my PS3.

But the Kung Fu Panda and Madagascar 1 gave me the trouble Pluie10 was having ( no audio but directors comments). And I used tsmuxer 1.8.8 and Anydvd 1.6.8.1.

The only thing I've noticed was that Anydvd gave me "unknown region code" error on these 2 movies.

Pluie10, see if you can put in your region and let us know.

I am waiting for those 2 movies in and try again.

I am having fun so far and hope you all too.

Hitmancano

[hitmancano]

I have correct video but no audio, only director's cut. I followed his procedure too, but no luck.

Maybe I need to look into the firmware of my LG. Thanks.

[SamuriHL]

Look, I can't say this any clearer...if you're getting the director's audio, then you are NOT following my procedure as you are picking the WRONG audio track. If you are selecting AC3 english, this is WRONG. You MUST pick the TrueHD audio track. You can down convert it and extract a core AC3 from that if you want AC3, but, you must use the TrueHD track to do it. Or it will be wrong.

[plouie10]

SamuraiHL,
I did Kung Fu Panda as per your guide. I burn it to BD-RE. Didn't tick off convert audio, so in theory I should have hi def audio. When I play it in my Samung BD-P1200 it comes us DD automatically. Plays great. Is this right? The reason I'm asking is that if i only choose this track why does it play DD. I thought the DD track was a separate one. When I play it on my PS3 I get no sound at all. The only other sound tracks are those of the directors commentary. I can't play it on my expensive Pioneer because it just stutters too much. I have my PS3 hooked via HDMI so I can get hi def audio through it as well. I can again hear the directors audio if I switch audio tracks, but no sound on what I would assume be the hi-def one. I'm trying not to use a BD-R until I get this right, but I might try anyways. If you have any insight as to why there is no sound on PS3 on either hi-def audio or DD I'm all ears.

Thanks again for your help
Phil

[SamuriHL]

I'm pretty sure it's a tsmuxer issue with the TrueHD track. The only way to do what you want is to extract the AC3 core from the TrueHD track and try that. No HD audio, but, at least you'll get the correct audio.

[plouie10]

You are correct again!! After reading some more, found out that TrueHD is the only high def audio track that tsmuxer has issues with, so once I extracted AC3 core, everything played fine for Kung Fu Panda, even fixed the stuttering problem on my Pioneer. Now I'm trying the Hulk 2008 with DTS-Master. Apparently tsmuxer doesn't have an issue with this. My question is, if I don't extract AC3 core, does the DTS-Master have both the DTS-Master High def audio the the core DTS? My question for asking is if I play it on the blu-ray player upstairs that doesn't have hi def audio capabilities, will it just play the core DTS? In looking at the files, all the other AC3 files in there are usually 2 channel if they are english, so I'm assuming they are directors dialogue and the ones that are 6 channel are the other languages.

Thanks
Phil


I'm pretty sure it's a tsmuxer issue with the TrueHD track. The only way to do what you want is to extract the AC3 core from the TrueHD track and try that. No HD audio, but, at least you'll get the correct audio.

[SamuriHL]

Correct. DTS-HD MA will have a core DTS track embedded in it that players that don't support HD audio will be able to play. And whenever you see a 2 channel AC3 track, you can be sure it's not the one you want. :)

[damnskippy]

What program did you use to extract the Dolby core?

[SamuriHL]

They used TSMuxer.

[plouie10]

Okay SamuriHL,
Here's one for you. And if you can't explain, no biggie. DTS-HD worked fine through tsmuxer. When playing from PS3 it plays great, when playing through Pioneer, shows DTS-HD but picture stutters ever so slightly. I tried this with BD-RE and BD-R. They were both Verbatim burned at 1X. When I encode DTS-HD to AC3 core, Pioneer shows DTS and plays fine. Because I don't want to play my Blu-rays through my PS3, I have resolved myself to extracting AC3 core for the movie only backups. Yet when I play the original with DTS-HD it plays okay on the Pioneer. Is it processing the DTS-HD differently on the backup compared to the original? Could it be the media?Anyways, if you have any thoughts that would be great, if not, again not a big deal. The DTS track still sounds great. I've already learned a bunch from this forum thanks to people like you.
Phil

Correct. DTS-HD MA will have a core DTS track embedded in it that players that don't support HD audio will be able to play. And whenever you see a 2 channel AC3 track, you can be sure it's not the one you want. :)

[SamuriHL]

First off lets fix your terminology. You are not "encoding DTS-HD MA to an AC3" when dealing with DTS tracks. You're extracting a core DTS track. And there is a difference. DTS and Dolby Digital (AC3) are completely different standards.

Now that that's out of the way, I honestly have no idea what the problem could be. I have no experience at all with Pioneer BD equipment. I have a PS3 and an HTPC plus my laptop. In theory the backup streams are identical to the original but in practice that doesn't ever seem to be the case with TSMuxer. For now extract the DTS core. Someday if and when Slysoft releases a CloneBD type tool, then you should be able to master compliant streams for your Pioneer to play. That's just a guess.

[plouie10]

Thanks,
Okay if you don't mind me asking since I have no experience it this. How much did it cost to put a HTPC together. Is it quiet? Can you output via HDMI and get HD audio? If I were to store movies on this HTPC, seems like a inexpensive way to get a nice library of BD movies only. On 1TB drives I could theoretically get at least 40 movies.

Thanks
Phil

First off lets fix your terminology. You are not "encoding DTS-HD MA to an AC3" when dealing with DTS tracks. You're extracting a core DTS track. And there is a difference. DTS and Dolby Digital (AC3) are completely different standards.

Now that that's out of the way, I honestly have no idea what the problem could be. I have no experience at all with Pioneer BD equipment. I have a PS3 and an HTPC plus my laptop. In theory the backup streams are identical to the original but in practice that doesn't ever seem to be the case with TSMuxer. For now extract the DTS core. Someday if and when Slysoft releases a CloneBD type tool, then you should be able to master compliant streams for your Pioneer to play. That's just a guess.

[SamuriHL]

In total I probably spent about a grand putting it together. I do not have HD audio as at the time I built it (a little over a year ago) that wasn't available. It's completely silent. It's in fact more quiet than my cable box. I have HDMI video and analog audio to my receiver.