ReClock and VMC x64...

[shadow07]

Now that the development of ReClock has progressed full steam ahead, I am wondering about any 64-bit development and it's progress. I watch quite a bit of BBC programming (mainly Top Gear UK) which is all PAL encoded (25fps), with a myTV (a VMC plug-in.) Since VMC on a 64-bit system is a 64-bit app, which requires 64-bit codecs and DS filters, ReClock never loads with either WMP11 64-bit player or VMC. Will there be a version of ReClock that is 64-bit that will see the light of day?

[James]

Now that the development of ReClock has progressed full steam ahead, I am wondering about any 64-bit development and it's progress. I watch quite a bit of BBC programming (mainly Top Gear UK) which is all PAL encoded (25fps), with a myTV (a VMC plug-in.) Since VMC on a 64-bit system is a 64-bit app, which requires 64-bit codecs and DS filters, ReClock never loads with either WMP11 64-bit player or VMC. Will there be a version of ReClock that is 64-bit that will see the light of day?
No, a 64bit version isn't planned. At least not in the near future.

[shadow07]

Thanks. I hope you do plan on a 64-bit version.

[mpact008]

I would like to add my support for a x64 version too of Reclock. I will never go back to 32bit now. I got 4GB in my computer and its just stupid to run anything else than 64bit then.

What is the main reason to why you wont do a x64 version anytime soon? To many compiler issues with the code or do you use a 3rd party code that isnt offered in 64bit yet?

[Lucifer1977]

Yes I would like to know why also. I can't live with out Reclock, but I would like to upgrade Vista 64.

[James]

I would like to add my support for a x64 version too of Reclock. I will never go back to 32bit now. I got 4GB in my computer and its just stupid to run anything else than 64bit then.

What is the main reason to why you wont do a x64 version anytime soon? To many compiler issues with the code or do you use a 3rd party code that isnt offered in 64bit yet?
Simple: No need. ReClock doesn't work with VMC. VMC64 would be (almost) the only reason for ReClock64 (even WMP on Vista64 is 32bit) = a lot of unpaid work for zero effect.

[Lucifer1977]

I'm confused; If I use Vista x64 and Power DVD, Reclock will not work - correct?

[James]

I'm confused; If I use Vista x64 and Power DVD, Reclock will not work - correct?
No. It works just fine. Make sure to install ReClock *after* PowerDVD.

[shadow07]

Simple: No need. ReClock doesn't work with VMC. VMC64 would be (almost) the only reason for ReClock64 (even WMP on Vista64 is 32bit) = a lot of unpaid work for zero effect.

I will have to disagree with you here. While the default WMP11 version is 32-bit, VMC is not. VMC uses the 64-bit WMP11 player, and not the 32-bit WMP11 player no matter what the default is set to. There is no way around this when you are using Vista Home Premium or Ultimate 64-bit.

[James]

I will have to disagree with you here. While the default WMP11 version is 32-bit, VMC is not. VMC uses the 64-bit WMP11 player, and not the 32-bit WMP11 player no matter what the default is set to. There is no way around this when you are using Vista Home Premium or Ultimate 64-bit.

Sorry, I can't follow. If I start WMP11 on Vista Home Premium x64, it starts the 32bit version and ReClock works fine.

[shadow07]

As it should. Now, start up Vista MEDIA CENTER and try to play any media file back. If you minimize VMC and start Sysinternals Process Explorer, you will notice that WMPlayer.exe is spawned below ehome.exe. This wmplayer.exe process will be the 64-bit version of Windows Media Player, NOT the 32-bit, and require 64-bit codecs. For those of us using apps like myTV or MyMovies, media playback is contained within VMC (except for Blu-ray/HD-DVD/DVD content where PDVD/TMT is used.)

[James]

As it should. Now, start up Vista MEDIA CENTER and try to play any media file back. If you minimize VMC and start Sysinternals Process Explorer, you will notice that WMPlayer.exe is spawned below ehome.exe. This wmplayer.exe process will be the 64-bit version of Windows Media Player, NOT the 32-bit, and require 64-bit codecs. For those of us using apps like myTV or MyMovies, media playback is contained within VMC (except for Blu-ray/HD-DVD/DVD content where PDVD/TMT is used.)

That's my point. ReClock doesn't work (at least, not well) with VMC 32bit. It probably never will. So I don't feel much desire to start a 64bit port for ... VMC. ;)

[Lucifer1977]

But you are saying that using Vista x64 with TMT or PowerDVD it will work just as well using Vista x32?
Just don't use it inside Media Center?

[mpact008]

That's my point. ReClock doesn't work (at least, not well) with VMC 32bit. It probably never will. So I don't feel much desire to start a 64bit port for ... VMC. ;)

Ahh, ok, so the whole problem is VMC. Have you tried it with Windows 7 yet (32bit) just to see if MS have made any changes to VMC?

Is this problem something that you will look into in more detail and try to correct (I dont think I am the only one using Media Center to play video files in) or is the problem too deep in MS code so no matter how you try to change Reclock it wont work well anyway?

[James]

But you are saying that using Vista x64 with TMT or PowerDVD it will work just as well using Vista x32?

Yes, it will.

[shadow07]

I guess I'll take your word. What I don't understand is VMC uses Windows Media Player for video and audio playback of content it knows and is registered to play (i.e. MKV, AVI, MPG, MP3, etc.) If ReClock can be used with WMP11, then why can't it when VMC launches WMP11?

[lifespeed]

There are two versions of WMP11 installed with Vista x64, 32-bit and 64-bit. VMC also is a 64-bit app.

MPC-HC has a 64-bit version also.

There are lots of us out here looking for 64-bit support. We are not switching back to 32-bit. It may still be 'early' 5 years after the advent of the 64-bit processor, but someday everything will be 64-bit.

Please consider supporting us.

[odyssey]

I agree. I have been using x64 as long as it has existed and always felt it was more stable. In few years the requirement for increased RAM is inevitable.

I'd be more than happy to donate to this project if you will make a x64 compile, as I think it really puts value to my HTPC.

[odyssey]

James, what's holding you back from making a x64 compile of this? I see that you rely on a few libraries - are these not x64 compatible?

I would love to see Reclock working in VMC x64 and currently it seems that I should revert to 32bit Vista and settle on the 3GB memory limit :(

[James]

James, what's holding you back from making a x64 compile of this? I see that you rely on a few libraries - are these not x64 compatible?

Nothing really, just lack of time.

[dbezerra]

I decided to replace my GForce 9500GS with an ATI 4670 so I can get unmolested sound from Blu-rays via Reclock and TMT (.121). But I still have one question: Can I use the VMC integrated version of TMT? Or do I need to use the "stand alone" version outside VMC? My confusion is with the previous statements that ReClock won't work with VMC - are we talking about the MS player inside VMC or all VMC-integrated apps, such as the TMT one?

Thanks
Daniel.

[James]

I decided to replace my GForce 9500GS with an ATI 4670 so I can get unmolested sound from Blu-rays via Reclock and TMT (.121). But I still have one question: Can I use the VMC integrated version of TMT? Or do I need to use the "stand alone" version outside VMC?
Yes, you can. Why don't you just try it?

[briandarroch]

The only problem I am aware of that ReClock has with VMC is live/recorded TV. I wish that there was an option for ReClock to disable itself when playing back a dvr-ms or wtv file. This would stop me having to exit VMC an turning on/off ReClock for ehshell

[dbezerra]

Thanks Guys.

James, I am still waiting for the ATI card... That's why I can't test it right now.

[rickardk]

The only problem I am aware of that ReClock has with VMC is live/recorded TV. I wish that there was an option for ReClock to disable itself when playing back a dvr-ms or wtv file. This would stop me having to exit VMC an turning on/off ReClock for ehshell

Me too, but I guess it's not that simple to do...

[James]

The only problem I am aware of that ReClock has with VMC is live/recorded TV. I wish that there was an option for ReClock to disable itself when playing back a dvr-ms or wtv file. This would stop me having to exit VMC an turning on/off ReClock for ehshell

You certainly won't have this problem with VMC x64. Please stay on topic.

[KordeX]

Simple: No need. ReClock doesn't work with VMC. VMC64 would be (almost) the only reason for ReClock64 (even WMP on Vista64 is 32bit) = a lot of unpaid work for zero effect.

Yes, that has been the case back then but for now as there is x64 version of MPC-HC (which of course benefits from x86_64 extensions in decoding) there would be a lot of use for x64 version so we wouldn't have to stick with the older one. ASIO support would be also awesome to include but in the meanwhile just x64 recompile would satisfy my needs. At least with Emu PatchMix ASIO is easier to manipulate than audio from WASAPI so it would benefit me, although I wonder how many users are out there with drivers which have extended ASIO capabilities.

Thank you for your great work!

--Mikko

[James]

Yes, that has been the case back then but for now as there is x64 version of MPC-HC (which of course benefits from x86_64 extensions in decoding) there would be a lot of use for x64 version so we wouldn't have to stick with the older one.

And the benefits of a 64bit MPC-HC version over the 32bit version are? Yes, exactly: None.

[KordeX]

And the benefits of a 64bit MPC-HC version over the 32bit version are? Yes, exactly: None.

x264: 64bit version of x264 codec results at least in 10% more efficient decoding.

lame: 64bit version of lame results at least in 20% more efficient decoding.

I don't have time for testing differences in splitter speed neither for flac and ogg.

Besides there is 64bit version of every other ds-filter. It's trivially easy to compile 64bit version of the application as the API provided by Microsoft is equal in both cases so there won't be need to make great changes into code.

:bang:

[James]

It's trivially easy to compile 64bit version of the application as the API provided by Microsoft is equal in both cases so there won't be need to make great changes into code.


You don't know ReClock's code.

[KordeX]

You don't know ReClock's code.

I wish I would but the gpl version is lacking.