How long should it take to rip to my hard drive?

[mrpep]

Dark night is taking 1 hour minutes:28. This is my first time but is this normal time?

[billdavis]

depends on the drives read speed that is the major choke point for todays computers most single 7200rpm hdds can read @ ~70mbps and aslong as you have a core 2 or better cpu your cpu wount even "break a sweat"

[mike_r]

ripping an iso *leave protection on) seems to be quicker than ripping to hard drive.

[Adbear]

it also depends on the drive, how it's connected and whether you have Daemon tools installed

[zebadee]

Hi :)
Not only is this dependent on CPU ODD & HDD.
But whether it is full disc or movie only.
My setup means movie only is usually around 6 > 8 mins. When the size is similar to that of DARK KNIGHT.
Full disc is only 1 > 2 mins extra.
I can (& have backed up this disc with AnyDVD HD + CloneDVD2) do a complete backup in under 15 mins for full disc. 12 mins for movie only.
Bluray of course is longer & I've yet to go that route.
However to find out whether your time is good/bad/indifferent. More info required.

[Adbear]

how do you manage to get the full movie off that quickly? Doesn't that work out around 70Mbytes per second?

[mike_r]

perhaps we should clarify ?

you posted in anydvd hd, so i assumed you're talking about a blu-ray rip ?

[Adbear]

perhaps we should clarify ?

you posted in anydvd hd, so i assumed you're talking about a blu-ray rip ?

I assumed that too

[billdavis]

he must have a ~70 X br-dvd drive
you are mainly limited to the read speed of your optical drive if it is 2x than it will only rip 2x the speed of playing the entire movie adds and all but unless your like zebadee and have a ~70x then it would be limited to hdd and cpu!

[mike_r]

Hi :)
Bluray of course is longer & I've yet to go that route.


zebadee is talking about using clonedvd2, and does have a bd+ drive - so these figures make sense for a dvd

[fast eddie]

I average 45 min rips on complete commercial Blu-ray BD-ROM disk to hard drive.

Registry cleaned out, no un-necessary startups, hard drive cleaned up, using resources for rip only.
All settings on computer set for performance and default settings, XP pro operating system. No overclocking on BIOS
3.16 cpu, 2GB ram
LG GBW-H20L optical drive with latest firmware

After rip, downsizing, creating Blu-ray structure, and burning takes much less.

:agree:

[zebadee]

depends on the drives read speed that is the major choke point for todays computers most single 7200rpm hdds can read @ ~70mbps and aslong as you have a core 2 or better cpu your cpu wount even "break a sweat"

Hi :)
Single SATA II drives can reach almost 120 mbps read.
WD VelociRaptor is around 110 on average.
When Raid0 like mine I get average read speed of 180+.
When ripping pressed DVD's using patched f/w 16x max is achievable.
Most get 12x at best with pressed DL DVD's.
It is early days yet for Bluray.
However in my post I am referring to DVD's, as an example.
I actually state I haven't as yet bothered with Bluray, though have the capability.
You simply take my times & multiply to estimate how long Bluray would take.
(Bear in mind volume as well as speed needs to be accounted for.)

Easier is to look at length of movie & divide by the actual speed drive is capable of.
(Movie only - 2 hrs divide by max speed of drive 4x = 30 mins)
This is of course theoretical, however times should be within + 50 > 100% of this for most users.
Hence typical times of 45 > 60 mins depending on set up.

[Adbear]

But he was asking for real times not theoretical speeds that can't be reached yet, even on a 6x Blu-ray drive you're lucky if you reach 15-20Mbytes/s, and using the approximate times and size of a DVD you supply your discs are coming off at around 16mbytes/s

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

No matter what the maximum speed of your drive is you aren't going to rip an entire BD at the maximum theoretical limit. Speeds will fluctuate and then you also have to take into account the maximum speed based on whether the disc is a BD-25 or BD-50 disc to begin with.

Some discs may rip quicker than others. Some drives will be faster than others from the beginning. Factor in other hardware in the system and you can't definitively say it should take X amount of time.

[GoldenEye4ever]

Dark night is taking 1 hour minutes:28. This is my first time but is this normal time?

To actually answer your question,
that it totally normal :agree:


My experience has shown that ripping full Blu-ray movies to my 1TB Seagate HDD takes anywhere between:
50 minutes and 1 hr 30 mins

Your ripping times will vary depending wheather the movie you're ripping is a single layer (25GB) or a dual layer (50GB) and on the speed of your:
- Hard Drive
- CPU
- BD-ROM

The wait is entirely worth it :rock:

[mrpep]

Well it took 1 hour 28 minutes/ this is a bluray....sound about right?
I have a intel duo core e4500 2.2 ghz oc'd to 3.0 ghz, 4 ghz ddr2 ocz ram, the hard drive is a western digital caviar blue sata 320 gb. The picture quality is awsome but it seems choppy (laggy), very slightly but noticeable...what could be causing this?

[GoldenEye4ever]

Well it took 1 hour 28 minutes/ this is a bluray....sound about right?
I have a intel duo core e4500 2.2 ghz oc'd to 3.0 ghz, 4 ghz ddr2 ocz ram, the hard drive is a western digital caviar blue sata 320 gb. The picture quality is awsome but it seems choppy (laggy), very slightly but noticeable...what could be causing this?

Couldn't help notice, you didn't specify what graphics card you're running :o

Is it at least a 8600GT?

I'm not too familiar with ATI these days, but when it comes to NVidia, the 8600GT is a great card for HD playback.

I've build several systems for friends/family with this card....none of which for gamers mind you :)

[Adbear]

If you're just playing back the m2ts file then I'd expect it ti be choppy as you get no hardware acceleration from the graphics card in file mode

[billdavis]

Hi :)
Single SATA II drives can reach almost 120 mbps read.
WD VelociRaptor is around 110 on average.
When Raid0 like mine I get average read speed of 180+.
When ripping pressed DVD's using patched f/w 16x max is achievable.
Most get 12x at best with pressed DL DVD's.
.

single hdds today only have about 120 mbps read yes, sata 1.5 has a bandwidth of 1.5mhz (150m/s actual) and sata 3=3ghz 300mb/s actual

the hdd interface i.e. sata ,pata dosent matter because the fastest hdd @ 120gbps would run just as fast on a old pata 133 interface. So again it dosent matter the interface at all!

also were discussing the hdd read where it is the write that matters in this situation


with a software raid ICH9R like im sure your using you will get ~180mbps read on 2x V-Raptors striped and thay are the fastest hdds 10,000rpm hdds today. and when your ripping it is still all limited to your optical read rate which i guarentee no one had a optical drive reading at more than 21 mbps so... as long as you have a old 5400rpm pata hdd your hdd is faster than yout optical drive!

attached is software raid-0 16k 2x raptor x

[mike_r]

If you're just playing back the m2ts file then I'd expect it ti be choppy as you get no hardware acceleration from the graphics card in file mode

Dark Knight is VC1, all the overclocking in the world won't get your picture smoothe. We had the same exact-same question yesterday already, so the search could have helped you.

You need to make a blu-ray structure with TsMuxer, convert to ISO with imgburn and mount with VCD. Now you can play back in powerdvd smoothly.

[mrpep]

Couldn't help notice, you didn't specify what graphics card you're running :o

Is it at least a 8600GT?

I'm not too familiar with ATI these days, but when it comes to NVidia, the 8600GT is a great card for HD playback.

I've build several systems for friends/family with this card....none of which for gamers mind you :)

Video Card is a Visiontek ATI Radeon HD4870 512 card.

[mike_r]

if you don't use avivo (which you don't playing the .m2ts file directly) then it makes no odds what card you have.

[GoldenEye4ever]

Video Card is a Visiontek ATI Radeon HD4870 512 card.

Your card is more than sufficient.

As for the hardware acceleration, how did you rip the movie?
- ripped the movie to an ISO image
- ripped the movie to folder structure
- ripped the actual raw movie

ISO Image:
- the most common/useful method
- must use virtual drive software (Virtual Clone Drive :))
- creates entire disc structure

Folder Structure:
- this was a popular method a few months ago
- programs like PowerDVD 8 has stopped playing Blu-ray folders :(
- WinDVD/ShowTime still support it
- creates entrie disc structure

Raw Movie:
- Slysoft doesn't offer software for this
- this is much more manual, more work/effort is required
- according to Adbear, hardware acceleration doesn't work on raw files :(



Also, which program are you using to play the movie back?
(PowerDVD, WinDVD, etc...)

I hope this answered your question :)

[GoldenEye4ever]

Dark Knight is VC1, all the overclocking in the world won't get your picture smoothe. We had the same exact-same question yesterday already, so the search could have helped you.

You need to make a blu-ray structure with TsMuxer, convert to ISO with imgburn and mount with VCD. Now you can play back in powerdvd smoothly.

Why do so much work?
I just ripped the Blu-ray using AnyDVD HD using, "Rip to ISO".
this preserves the Blu-ray structure, removes the content protection and creates the ISO, also this only takes about 1 hour 20 minutes.
I could only imaging how long the above method would take :(

After this, you just have to mount the image with Virtual Clone Drive and enjoy, using your favorite Blu-ray playback software.
(PowerDVD 8, WinDVD, ShowTime)

[profcolli]

this only takes about 1 hour 20 minutesSomething wrong with your system - takes me 45 minutes with an LG GGC-H20L and E4500 @ 2.7GHz with 2GB PC-6400 ram / SATA HDD / XFX 680i SLI (all slower than your system). What drive are you using? Seems like it may be riplocked. Or perhaps you have SPTD installed which apparently can slow down rips.

[GoldenEye4ever]

Something wrong with your system - takes me 45 minutes with an LG GGC-H20L and E4500 @ 2.7GHz with 2GB PC-6400 ram / SATA HDD / XFX 680i SLI (all slower than your system). What drive are you using? Seems like it may be riplocked. Or perhaps you have SPTD installed which apparently can slow down rips.

Good points :)

I'm ripping straight to my 1TB drives,
which I attach only when needed via USB.

It's the USB that slows things down :(

But playback through USB streams just fine :)

[profcolli]

Good points :)

I'm ripping straight to my 1TB drives,
which I attach only when needed via USB.

It's the USB that slows things down :(

But playback through USB streams just fine :)That explains it. You need eSata for decent ripping speeds on external drives. Playback only needs a fraction of the speed, so USB is fine for that.

[GoldenEye4ever]

That explains it. You need eSata for decent ripping speeds on external drives. Playback only needs a fraction of the speed, so USB is fine for that.

Ya, I'd like to use my eSATA connection on my HDD enclosure,
but my MOBO doesn't support eSATA very well :(
It keeps dropping the connection, sorta speak.
(I'm using an expansion port that came with my enclosure, and in my MOBO bios, set a specific SATA port to eSATA)

But USB 2.0 isn't too bad :rock:

[billdavis]

come on guys your ripping speeds are not limited buy high speed usb 2.0

usb 2.0 had a real data transfer rate of about 40mbps so i highley doubt your dvd/bd optical drive can read a disk at a 40+mbps saturation

when you are ripping your next dvd/bd/hddvd look at the data transfer rate and if it is over 20mbps i will be impressed

with the new and comming bd rippers we will see some faster 6x and more read speeds for bd but unless you are burrning your bd to a usb external drive at a rate faster than 40mbps then nothing is limiting your computer other than your optical drive!!

[profcolli]

come on guys your ripping speeds are not limited buy high speed usb 2.0

usb 2.0 had a real data transfer rate of about 40mbps so i highley doubt your dvd/bd optical drive can read a disk at a 40+mbps saturation

when you are ripping your next dvd/bd/hddvd look at the data transfer rate and if it is over 20mbps i will be impressed

with the new and comming bd rippers we will see some faster 6x and more read speeds for bd but unless you are burrning your bd to a usb external drive at a rate faster than 40mbps then nothing is limiting your computer other than your optical drive!!Raw speeds are one thing (btw you mean MB/s not mbps). Real life is another thing. eSata is 3Gbps (300Mb/s) usb2.0 is 480mbps (60Mb/s) maximum - but that will not be achieved with writing data. Your point is taken about optical drive speed - 20MB/s is about average without riplock. However, I can get a 2 hr BD ripped in ~45minutes using SATAII drive, whereas GoldenEye4ever takes 1hr 20 minutes with a faster system. The only difference is he/she rips straight to a USB external drive, so that was the presumed bottleneck. GoldenEye4ever could try ripping to a HDD instead to see if he/she can get better speeds, which would confirm where the problem lies for him/her.

[billdavis]

Raw speeds are one thing (btw you mean MB/s not mbps). Real life is another thing. eSata is 3Gbps (300Mb/s) usb2.0 is 480mbps (60Mb/s) maximum - but that will not be achieved with writing data. Your point is taken about optical drive speed - 20MB/s is about average without riplock. However, I can get a 2 hr BD ripped in ~45minutes using SATAII drive, whereas GoldenEye4ever takes 1hr 20 minutes with a faster system. The only difference is he/she rips straight to a USB external drive, so that was the presumed bottleneck. GoldenEye4ever could try ripping to a HDD instead to see if he/she can get better speeds, which would confirm where the problem lies for him/her.







I assume GoldenEye4ever is ripping his temp file to the same usb hdd and if that is the caes he is limited buy using usb hdd to the same usb hdd read and write so when he is done rirrping from the dvd it must process the data agan to make it a .iso image and that might be a big killer for a bottle neck!! I suggest to use the c drive (if there is space for the temp file and click to have it deleated also

excrept taken from the WWW
How fast is USB 2.0?
USB 2.0 has a raw data rate at 480Mbps, and it is rated 40 times faster than its predecessor interface, USB 1.1, which tops at 12Mbps. Originally, USB 2.0 was intended to go only as fast as 240Mbps, but in October 1999, USB 2.0 Promoter Group pumped up the speed to 480Mbps.


As far as we know, effective rate reaches at 40MBps or 320Mbps for bulk transfer on a USB 2.0 hard drive with no one else is sharing the bus. Flash Drives seem to be catching up too with the some hitting 30MB/s milestone. For all we know, USB interface could become become the bottleneck for flash drives as early as 2008.

and mbps is exact the same as mb/s

[edit] Megabit per second
A megabit per second (abbreviated as Mbit/s or Mbps) is a unit of data transfer rate equal to 1,000,000 bits per second. Because there are 8 bits in a byte, a transfer speed of 8 megabits per second (8 Mbit/s) is equivalent to 1,000,000 bytes per second

A Megabyte per second (MB/s or MBps) is a unit of data transfer rate equal to:

1,000,000 bytes per second, or
1,000 kilobytes per second, or
8 Megabits per second

[GoldenEye4ever]

Raw speeds are one thing (btw you mean MB/s not mbps). Real life is another thing. eSata is 3Gbps (300Mb/s) usb2.0 is 480mbps (60Mb/s) maximum - but that will not be achieved with writing data. Your point is taken about optical drive speed - 20MB/s is about average without riplock. However, I can get a 2 hr BD ripped in ~45minutes using SATAII drive, whereas GoldenEye4ever takes 1hr 20 minutes with a faster system. The only difference is he/she rips straight to a USB external drive, so that was the presumed bottleneck. GoldenEye4ever could try ripping to a HDD instead to see if he/she can get better speeds, which would confirm where the problem lies for him/her.

I tried ripping a Blu-ray movie to my internal 150GB WD Raptor, and it took 75 minutes :(

What can you tell me about Rip-locked drives?
I have a SONY BWU-100A (firmware 1.0e)

Are there any "custom" firmware updates for my drive?


Thanks a lot guys.

[billdavis]

if your using clone dvd 2 there is a option where to save your temporary directory for video files make that your c drive! and see if that speeds some things up

[profcolli]

I tried ripping a Blu-ray movie to my internal 150GB WD Raptor, and it took 75 minutes :(

What can you tell me about Rip-locked drives?
I have a SONY BWU-100A (firmware 1.0e)

Are there any "custom" firmware updates for my drive?


Thanks a lot guys.Sony have had a new firmware out for that model since May.
http://sony.storagesupport.com/node/7185
"firmware 1.0f provides the following improvements:

1) Support reading of BD LTH media..
2) Writing performance and reliability improvements.
3) Support for Windows Vista"

You should update to that and see if it helps.

You won't have much luck with patched firmware for this (old) drive, it seems:
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=55795

Apparently it is a cloned Panasonic, don't know if crossflashes are available:
"Panasonic SW-5582 (rebadged drives include Plextor PX-B900A and Sony BWU-100A)"

[GoldenEye4ever]

Sony have had a new firmware out for that model since May.
http://sony.storagesupport.com/node/7185
"firmware 1.0f provides the following improvements:

1) Support reading of BD LTH media..
2) Writing performance and reliability improvements.
3) Support for Windows Vista"

You should update to that and see if it helps.

You won't have much luck with patched firmware for this (old) drive, it seems:
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=55795

Apparently it is a cloned Panasonic, don't know if crossflashes are available:
"Panasonic SW-5582 (rebadged drives include Plextor PX-B900A and Sony BWU-100A)"

Thanks,
I upgraded the firmware to 1.0f the other day,
with no changes in read speed.:mad:

About the BWU-100A drive being a clone:
it sucks but it's good to know.
I guess I can't complain too much, as I've been ripping/watching Blu-rays for over 2 years now :)

[profcolli]

Thanks,
I upgraded the firmware to 1.0f the other day,
with no changes in read speed.:mad:

About the BWU-100A drive being a clone:
it sucks but it's good to know.
I guess I can't complain too much, as I've been ripping/watching Blu-rays for over 2 years now :)Yeah, but then Sony has always used clones for optical drives - and they have no incentive to make BD ripping easy (they certainly don't want you doing that for studio stuff). You can pick up the LG Burner pretty cheaply nowadays - that is apparently a much faster ripper than yours. How much is your time worth? ;)