HD-DVD playback!

[djficus]

Hi,
After 3 days of reading this forum and Doom9, I gave up because I cannot find a clear answer to my problem!
I use a Xbox360 HD drive, AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.0 trial, PowerDVD 7.3, Nvidia graphic card FX 5200 128 Mb with DVI output AGP 8x but limited at 4x by motherboard, last drivers 93.81 forceware, XP SP2 and LCD 32" 720p without HDCP!

Using anydvd hd I manage to copy the KingKong HD-DVD to my hard-drive, but when I try to play that with PDVD is saying that my graphic drivers, or graphics card is not having the minimum requirements! Try to play directly from HD-DVD drive is the same message.

I use a old Dell, 2.8Ghz, IDE HDD, 1GB RAM and I am not very happy to change all my pc just for HD! Trailers from apple in 1080p works fine!

Somebody could help here before my trial of anydvd hd expire?

Many thanks,
DjFicus

[Webslinger]

graphic card FX 5200 128 Mb
but when I try to play that with PDVD is saying that my graphic drivers, or graphics card is not having the minimum requirements!


Yup. This is a powerdvd restriction based on the version you're using. Apparently, version 6.5 might work for you, but your video card is a weak-link anyway.

Otherwise, from http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/require_112_ENU.html

"Graphics Card

* nVidia: GeForce 7600 GT, GeForce 7800 GTX 512, GeForce 7900 GX2, GeForce 7900 GTX, GeForce 7950 GX2
* ATI: X1600 series, X1800 series, X1900 series
* Video RAM: Graphics card memory requires 256 MB or above"

[djficus]

Thanks for the quick answer! You say that is no chance to make HD working with my old graphic card?
I have try to find PDVD 6.5 but this version is very rare (any suggestion were I can find a copy?)
To buy a new graphic card and fit it into my 4x AGP port will be a big waiste of money!
Any others suggestions?!
DjFicus

[Faye]

Thanks for the quick answer! You say that is no chance to make HD working with my old graphic card?
I have try to find PDVD 6.5 but this version is very rare (any suggestion were I can find a copy?)
To buy a new graphic card and fit it into my 4x AGP port will be a big waiste of money!
Any others suggestions?!
DjFicus

I have not tried it, so I don't know.. but *apparently* PowerDVD 7.3 *doesn't* contain the silly check. Trying to get the update now.

*update*
I got the upgrade and nope.. still has the silly check.

[djficus]

So, after I have tried
Power DVD 7.3 (graphic card error 0012, aparently they ask for minimum GeForce 7600)
Then WinDVD 8, this doesnt work at all, say nothing, but is not playing, neither from HD DVD or hard disk;
Finally I "managed" to find a copy of PowerDVD 6.5, dont ask how! THis soft works fine is not complaining about my graphic card, play from HD DVD or from hard disk.

BUT, always is a but, the weak link turn tu be my CPU!! Pentium 4 2.8Ghz seems to not be enough to handle 30Mbps bitrate! The image is nice but the cpu is struggling to keep the frame rate so you cannot watch a movie!

The solution to that probably will be a XBOX360 console, second hand arround 200-250 euros instead a new PC dual-core at least 500€.

Hope my experience help some others lads!

Cheers,
DjFicus

[Faye]

The solution to that probably will be a XBOX360 console, second hand arround 200-250 euros instead a new PC dual-core at least 500€.


I always figured that would be my failback plan, but I'm happy with the mac mini's output. (Dual 1.83Ghz) Most of the time I don't notice any tearing.
Maybe later this year, there'll be a new Mini with the new intel onboard graphics with HDMI support and a Core 2 Duo processor and this would be a good reason/excuse to get that.


Faye

[therivetman]

Hi,
After 3 days of reading this forum and Doom9, I gave up because I cannot find a clear answer to my problem!
I use a Xbox360 HD drive, AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.0 trial, PowerDVD 7.3, Nvidia graphic card FX 5200 128 Mb with DVI output AGP 8x but limited at 4x by motherboard, last drivers 93.81 forceware, XP SP2 and LCD 32" 720p without HDCP!

Using anydvd hd I manage to copy the KingKong HD-DVD to my hard-drive, but when I try to play that with PDVD is saying that my graphic drivers, or graphics card is not having the minimum requirements! Try to play directly from HD-DVD drive is the same message.

I use a old Dell, 2.8Ghz, IDE HDD, 1GB RAM and I am not very happy to change all my pc just for HD! Trailers from apple in 1080p works fine!

Somebody could help here before my trial of anydvd hd expire?

Many thanks,
DjFicus

Just purchase divx and a divx player...convert the file to a hd dvd divx with 5.1 surround and it'll play fine at full hd on the divx dvd player...you'll also need to download an ac3 filter they are free

[Faye]

Just purchase divx and a divx player...convert the file to a hd dvd divx with 5.1 surround and it'll play fine at full hd on the divx dvd player...you'll also need to download an ac3 filter they are free

And converting HDDVD to Divx? How quick is it? How much quality is lost?
Instructions/Tools?

[therivetman]

And converting HDDVD to Divx? How quick is it? How much quality is lost?
Instructions/Tools?

you need to choose hd on the converter and select 1280x720 as that is the maximum resolution supported by a standard dvd player over progressive scan
then convert the video...burn it as a data dvd

[roog]

Also, what size is the file?

[djficus]

as far as I know nobody convert yet HD DVD into a DivX format! I had try your silly suggestion with DivX Pro converter 6 and of course is not working: unsupported file format!
Could you give as more detailes if you have?

[roog]

Hi,
After 3 days of reading this forum and Doom9, I gave up because I cannot find a clear answer to my problem!
I use a Xbox360 HD drive, AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.0 trial, PowerDVD 7.3, Nvidia graphic card FX 5200 128 Mb with DVI output AGP 8x but limited at 4x by motherboard, last drivers 93.81 forceware, XP SP2 and LCD 32" 720p without HDCP!

Using anydvd hd I manage to copy the KingKong HD-DVD to my hard-drive, but when I try to play that with PDVD is saying that my graphic drivers, or graphics card is not having the minimum requirements! Try to play directly from HD-DVD drive is the same message.

I use a old Dell, 2.8Ghz, IDE HDD, 1GB RAM and I am not very happy to change all my pc just for HD! Trailers from apple in 1080p works fine!

Somebody could help here before my trial of anydvd hd expire?

Many thanks,
DjFicus

I went through the same thing as you with a 3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 and an ATI 1600XT AGP video card. I overclocked the Pentium to 3.4 Ghz and playback still stuttered. I'm going to upgrade that system to PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD 6.1.32 and I'll let you know the results.

[djficus]

I went through the same thing as you with a 3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 and an ATI 1600XT AGP video card. I overclocked the Pentium to 3.4 Ghz and playback still stuttered. I'm going to upgrade that system to PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD 6.1.32 and I'll let you know the results.
That is surprising!!! What AGP you have on mother board 4x or 8x?
I will make a test this weekend with my work PC a brand new Dell E520 Pentium D 925 3.0Ghz and 1Gb DDR2, nvidia 7300 256MB.
But it seems that without a really good PC is to hard to get good results! Xbox 360 is probably my answer! I still not know what is the max resolution output for that and how they deal with HDCP problems?

DjFicus

[interesting]

Yup. This is a powerdvd restriction based on the version you're using. Apparently, version 6.5 might work for you, but your video card is a weak-link anyway.

Otherwise, from http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/products/require_112_ENU.html



Per Cyberlink, an HDCP compliant display is required (for hd).

Per Slysoft: Allows you to watch movies over a digital display connection, without HDCP compliant graphics card and HDCP compliant display. No need to buy an expensive monitor. Sweet!

Thus how should the statement by Slysoft be interpreted?
May I accurately interpret it as:
Allows you to watch movies over a digital display connection, without HDCP compliant graphics card and without HDCP compliant display. No need to buy an expensive monitor. Sweet!

It looks a bit like the left hand giveth but the right hand taketh away.:)

TIA

[Slinger07]

HUH? :confused: :disagree:

It meens you DONT need a HDCP compatible Graphics Card or Monitor to watch any HD (Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) DVD's if you are using this Slysoft product.

[interesting]

Yes, that is what I originally understood it to mean.

The contradiction entered because:
1) Slysoft stated that an HDCP compliant display was not required (edit: as I understood it).
2) Slysoft stated to use Cyberlink Ultra.
3) Webslinger (to paraphrase) recommends one should follow requirements
provided by Cyberlink.
4) Cyberlink quite clearing states an HDCP compliant display is required.

Merely trying to clarify the issue.

[Peer]

Yes, that is what I originally understood it to mean.

The contradiction entered because:
1) Slysoft stated that an HDCP compliant display was not required (edit: as I understood it).
2) Slysoft stated to use Cyberlink Ultra.
3) Webslinger (to paraphrase) recommends one should follow requirements
provided by Cyberlink.
4) Cyberlink quite clearing states an HDCP compliant display is required.

Merely trying to clarify the issue.

Cyberlink lists requirements for playback of encrypted HD content on their website.
They don't mention the fact, that PowerDVD will play non-encrypted HD content (which also exists without AnyDVD HD :)) with no limitations. That's probably because this type of unencrypted media is comparedly rare, so they don't care.
So don't take Webslingers advice too literately, leave away the HDCP part.
He was rather addressing the "computing power" minimum.

[wdgoldstein]

Cyberlink lists requirements for playback of encrypted HD content on their website.
They don't mention the fact, that PowerDVD will play non-encrypted HD content (which also exists without AnyDVD HD :)) with no limitations. That's probably because this type of unencrypted media is comparedly rare, so they don't care.
So don't take Webslingers advice too literately, leave away the HDCP part.
He was rather addressing the "computing power" minimum.

Following Cyberlinks advice is the answer. Not all the Video Cards they list are HDCP compliant. HDCP is NOT required when using AnyDVD/HD however a computer with a lot of memory, CPU power and a really good GPU are needed for decent playback. the X1600 is about the minimum Video card that will work (it is not HDCP compliant according to ATI) and is listed in the Cyberlink specs.

[interesting]

Thanks to all of you for responding.

Is the x1600 the video card that was not compliant because it
provided hd data to be transmitted in a manner which was outside
the HDCP dictates? i.e. no handshaking for output.

[roog]

Thanks to all of you for responding.

Is the x1600 the video card that was not compliant because it
provided hd data to be transmitted in a manner which was outside
the HDCP dictates? i.e. no handshaking for output.

I have a Visiontek ATI Radeon X1600XT agp video card and it works fine with my Sony SXRD HDTV. My Sony is this year's model and it requires HDCP compliance when a device is connected to any of the HDMI inputs. I know this because when I tried to use an ATI Radeon 9800 video card it would not work. I am using a DVI to HDMI cable to connect the output from the X1600XT to the HDTV.

I also tried a 7600XT video card but I prefer the X1600XT because it displays 1080P resolution (1920x1080 pixels) without overscan. I had to reduce the resolution on the 7600XT to get it to not overscan.

[colinhunt]

I also tried a 7600XT video card but I prefer the X1600XT because it displays 1080P resolution (1920x1080 pixels) without overscan. I had to reduce the resolution on the 7600XT to get it to not overscan.
Do you have the 55-inch SXRD TV? It's got plenty of overscan built-in and it has nothing to with the video card you're using.

[roog]

Do you have the 55-inch SXRD TV? It's got plenty of overscan built-in and it has nothing to with the video card you're using.

No it's a KDS-R70XBR2 and there's absolutely no overscan with the ATI X1600XT when I set the video card to 1920x1080 and connect it to the HDMI input on the Sony.

[bingobill]

Do you have the 55-inch SXRD TV? It's got plenty of overscan built-in and it has nothing to with the video card you're using.


I have the 55" SXRD and you are right there is around 5% overscan with this TV, I use Powerstrip to scale so that the Vista desktop fits the visible screen size perfectly and Vista does look absolutely stunning. My problem is that PowerDVD won't use the same scaling and also PD turns off Aero and into basic mode. :confused:

[roog]

I have the 55" SXRD and you are right there is around 5% overscan with this TV, I use Powerstrip to scale so that the Vista desktop fits the visible screen size perfectly and Vista does look absolutely stunning. My problem is that PowerDVD won't use the same scaling and also PD turns off Aero and into basic mode. :confused:

Assuming that you have a Sony KDS-55A2000 55 inch SXRD, the specs say that it has a resolution of 1920x1080. Wouldn't that would be a false statement if it did not actually display it. I've googled for overscan problems with this set and haven't found any.

What input are you using on the 55" SXRD, because I find it hard to believe that it would overscan on the 1080i HDMI input? If that's true then it means that it would also overscan if you were using a Blu-ray or HD DVD standalone player. If this really happening, then maybe it could be refocused to eliminate the overscan.

This said, I still think it's the graphics card that's causing the overscan. I've seen this happen in the past on VGA monitors when the video card output did not match the monitor's input requirements.

[colinhunt]

Assuming that you have a Sony KDS-55A2000 55 inch SXRD, the specs say that it has a resolution of 1920x1080. Wouldn't that would be a false statement if it did not actually display it. I've googled for overscan problems with this set and haven't found any.
Then you haven't looked well enough. The overscan on that TV is a well-known fact. I've been in touch with Sony's European product manager for SXRD RPTVs; Sony is aware of the overscan, but seems reluctant to do anything about it. In fact, in one e-mail I was told that Sony engineers won't allow 0% overscan, but no reason for this was given. I pleaded Sony to get rid of the overscan and issue a firmware update for the TV, but it's very unlikely to happen.

It is possible to enter service menu and reduce the overscan by some degree, but it's impossible to achieve 0%, unfortunately. And yes, overscan affects all image sources, HD DVD and BD stand-alone players included.

I happen to have the KDS-70R2000 as well. It's supposed to be the equivalent of KDS-R70XBR2 but there are some internal differences. There's some overscan in KDS-70R2000, too; not sure about the US variant. edit: There's plenty of talk about KDS-R70XBR2's overscan in AVS' Owner's thread. See http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9776877&highlight=overscan#post9776877

[ibglowin]

You really need a new computer to run HD-DVD. I had a Dell almost just like your configuration and using PowerDVD 6.5 all I could get was the main menu screen to work. Once I clicked on play movie it ground to a quick halt.

I ordered a refurbed Dell XPS 410 for $700 (Core 2 Duo 2.13) and it plays just fine now on PowerDVD 6.5. Still trying to get PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra to work. Currently all i get is a black screen on it with the sound in the background.

I wish we had a better software player for sure.

[djficus]

You really need a new computer to run HD-DVD. I had a Dell almost just like your configuration and using PowerDVD 6.5 all I could get was the main menu screen to work. Once I clicked on play movie it ground to a quick halt.

I ordered a refurbed Dell XPS 410 for $700 (Core 2 Duo 2.13) and it plays just fine now on PowerDVD 6.5. Still trying to get PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra to work. Currently all i get is a black screen on it with the sound in the background.

I wish we had a better software player for sure.
Better computer? So I make a test with my Pc from work, Pentium D 3.0 GHz, nVidia GeForce 7300 LE, Power DVD 7.3, XP SP2, connection via DVI to 32" LCD LG non HDCP 1366x768.
Xbox360 HD driver and AnyDVD 6.1.3.0 version (without is not working)!

Play from disk or ripped and play from HDD results the same!
With this configuration the image frame rate sometimes is below the normal, you can watch the movie but some parts espeacially wide angles are hardly processed!
I was check the CPU is stay arround 50%-60%, so should be the graphic card! (I have the latest driver so dont start with that).

From my point of view there is ultra-expensive to go for PC playback of HD DVD. Only a decent graphic card is at least 200€, plus CPU dual core minimum 200€, PDVD 99€, AnyDVD 80€ and soon ...

How is the playback from xbox360, somebody can say something about that? A second hand one is not more than 250-300 € which is much chepper than purchasing all those expensive hardwares!

[roog]

I went through the same thing as you with a 3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 and an ATI 1600XT AGP video card. I overclocked the Pentium to 3.4 Ghz and playback still stuttered. I'm going to upgrade that system to PowerDVD Ultra 7.3 and AnyDVD 6.1.32 and I'll let you know the results.

Ok, I finally tried it and the results are suprising! (Note: I used AnyDVD 6.1.3.3).

Originally, I only had the XBOX 360 drive but now I have a Liteon LH-2B1S Blu-ray drive so I was able to test BD playback this time.

The results are that I was able to play Blu-ray movies fine without stutter but HD DVD movies still stutter.

[therivetman]

as far as I know nobody convert yet HD DVD into a DivX format! I had try your silly suggestion with DivX Pro converter 6 and of course is not working: unsupported file format!
Could you give as more detailes if you have?

YOU NEED A DIVX A CERTIFIED PLAYER TO PLAY HD DVIX FILES...
you'll find them here...

http://www.divx.com/products/hw/browse.php?c=1

[Killga]

YOU NEED A DIVX A CERTIFIED PLAYER TO PLAY HD DVIX FILES...
you'll find them here...

http://www.divx.com/products/hw/browse.php?c=1


I think what he meant is does DivX converter really convert HD-DVD rips into DivX HD files (sounds too good to be true...)?!

[Faye]

Ok, I finally tried it and the results are suprising! (Note: I used AnyDVD 6.1.3.3).

Originally, I only had the XBOX 360 drive but now I have a Liteon LH-2B1S Blu-ray drive so I was able to test BD playback this time.

The results are that I was able to play Blu-ray movies fine without stutter but HD DVD movies still stutter.

BluRay movies are currently MPEG2 which will put a lot less stress on the player than VC-1 or AVC. You just need more juice in that CPU.