AnyDVD HD and dual-layer DVD-R

[MMM]

Now that "AnyDVD HD" is on its way, what are we gonna burn our HD DVD movies to?

HD DVD-R blank media is expensive, at approximately $20+ a pop right now. Will a Dual-Layer DVD-R suffice with compression as DVD-Rs sufficed for Dual-layer movies.

From what I hear, HD movies are about 10GB and DL-DVD-Rs can hold <8.5GB and only cost about a $1, so will this be the best, most economical method?

And what will we use for compression? Will CLONE DVD be sufficient?


Aloha

[khlb]

Now that "AnyDVD HD" is on its way, what are we gonna burn our HD DVD movies to?
>snip<
And what will we use for compression? Will CLONE DVD be sufficient?


Aloha

Right now SlySoft is offering Clone CD, Clone DVD (and Mobile) and AnyDVD.
James is working hard on AnyHD-DVD. I bet there will be a Clone HD-DVD product as well for compression, chapter trimming/splitting and such.

8)

[Androo79]

I do believe AnyDVD HD is only going to play HD-DVDs. It will remove the encryption and allow you to watch the movie without an HDCP equipped video card and monitor. I don't think it will copy HD-DVDs because the media is way too expensive.

Anyway, why would you want to compress High Def content anyway. Just watch a normal DVD.

[DetroitBaseball]

I do believe AnyDVD HD is only going to play HD-DVDs. It will remove the encryption and allow you to watch the movie without an HDCP equipped video card and monitor. I don't think it will copy HD-DVDs because the media is way too expensive.

Anyway, why would you want to compress High Def content anyway. Just watch a normal DVD.
Prices will go down just as they did with normal DVDs.

[MMM]

I do believe AnyDVD HD is only going to play HD-DVDs. It will remove the encryption and allow you to watch the movie without an HDCP equipped video card and monitor. I don't think it will copy HD-DVDs because the media is way too expensive.

Anyway, why would you want to compress High Def content anyway. Just watch a normal DVD.

The same reason why many people backup and compress to a DVD-R single layer blank...getting away from the higher cost of DL DVD-Rs and getting nearly equivalent results. Save some $$$.

[DetroitBaseball]

The same reason why many people backup and compress to a DVD-R single layer blank...getting away from the higher cost of DL DVD-Rs and getting nearly equivalent results. Save some $$$.
That's what I do.

[UserName]

Will AnyHD-DVD be a free upgrade, or separate purchase required?

[Webslinger]

separate purchase required?

There might be a discount for existing Anydvd owners, but it is a separate product. So yes, you will have to pay.

The big advantage or strength of AnyHD-DVD is for HTPC users, in my opinion.

[MMM]

Will AnyHD-DVD be a free upgrade, or separate purchase required?

From what I've read, it will be a discounted upgrade for continuing AnyDVD owners. I wish it was free and just an update.

[Clams]

Keep wishing. :D
It's an entirely new product. I'm not surprised it'll have its own license fee at all. I'd be shocked if it didn't.

-W

[DetroitBaseball]

From what I've read, it will be a discounted upgrade for continuing AnyDVD owners. I wish it was free and just an update.
That would be unfair to ask. As it is, Slysoft only charges you once for the lifetime use of AnyDVD, if the upgrade was free how would they make money?

[MMM]

Keep wishing. :D
It's an entirely new product. I'm not surprised it'll have its own license fee at all. I'd be shocked if it didn't.

-W

Oh well :D

[denis]

If i buy it, does that mean i would have 2 programs? Or would it just work one both?

[DetroitBaseball]

If i buy it, does that mean i would have 2 programs? Or would it just work one both?
AnyDVD-HD is supposed to work with DVDs and HD-DVDs.

[Charlie]

From what I've read, it will be a discounted upgrade for continuing AnyDVD owners. I wish it was free and just an update.

No the key you have now will still allow you to get anydvd updates and is replacing the older version when released, as stated this will do DVD or HD-DVD the only thing is if you don't pay the upgrade anydvd will not work on HD-DVD from what I understand or am I off here?

[dudeman]

I am in Canada and cant even find a HD DVD burners any ideas where i can purchase one from? By the way great idea this forum

[jackyl]

There was a post stating that we would only have to pay the difference in price from anydvd to anydvd hd.Im not sure how much it will be but im sure they will be fair as they have been with unlimited updates and so on.They have to make something in order to keep developing new products and im just glad to hear that theres even going to be a anydvd hd.Keep up the good works guys!

[DetroitBaseball]

I am in Canada and cant even find a HD DVD burners any ideas where i can purchase one from? By the way great idea this forum
I'm not sure if an HD-DVD burner is available to the general public yet. I'll look into it.

[jackyl]

Heres the post

http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.php?p=6257&postcount=98


Yea it would be really nice if they did know anything about a clondvd hd to say dvd dual layer being possible.If you knew that it was possible and our current dual layer burners would work then a cheap way out is if you have a xbox 360 you can get the add-on drive for 200 plug it in to youre pc and download the driver and youre good to go can use it for ripping burn to dual layer and watch it on the 360 in HD.Would have a way of backing up and watching until burners and players came down in price.Now that would be sweet

[James]

Now that "AnyDVD HD" is on its way, what are we gonna burn our HD DVD movies to?

HD DVD-R blank media is expensive, at approximately $20+ a pop right now. Will a Dual-Layer DVD-R suffice with compression as DVD-Rs sufficed for Dual-layer movies.

From what I hear, HD movies are about 10GB and DL-DVD-Rs can hold <8.5GB and only cost about a $1, so will this be the best, most economical method?

And what will we use for compression? Will CLONE DVD be sufficient?


Aloha
The good thing: HD-DVD players accept HD-DVD "structures" on standard "red laser" DVDs as well. I am not sore, but I believe Blu-ray standalone players do not. (If this is true, Blu-ray sucks big time!:D )
So yes, it makes perfectly sense to use DVD+-r DL discs for HD content. Compression will almost be impossible if you want to keep the quality (it already is compressed much more than normal DVDs), but leaving out soundtracks (especially the lossless ones) would make at least the main movie fit on DL discs.
For movies longer than 2 hours, you still can split.

[MMM]

The good thing: HD-DVD players accept HD-DVD "structures" on standard "red laser" DVDs as well. I am not sore, but I believe Blu-ray standalone players do not. (If this is true, Blu-ray sucks big time!:D )
So yes, it makes perfectly sense to use DVD+-r DL discs for HD content. Compression will almost be impossible if you want to keep the quality (it already is compressed much more than normal DVDs), but leaving out soundtracks (especially the lossless ones) would make at least the main movie fit on DL discs.
For movies longer than 2 hours, you still can split.


Thanks James for the info. That's GREAT news to hear.

Why would compression be necessary on a HD DVD movie? It still doesn't have enough space with 15GB! Or are ALL movies compressed a little? Sorry for the dumb question.

On the sadder side, many of the great movies are over 2 hours, so I guess 2 discs will be what I'll be using if the movie can't be compressed to one. IMO, additional compression will only be worth using if the picture quality doesn't suffer much.

Again, GREAT news. Burning to 2 discs are better than burning to none. That is until the prices for HD DVD R media drops to more affordable prices.:agree:

[DetroitBaseball]

Thanks James for the info. That's GREAT news to hear.

Why would compression be necessary on a HD DVD movie? It still doesn't have enough space with 15GB! Or are ALL movies compressed a little? Sorry for the dumb question.

On the sadder side, many of the great movies are over 2 hours, so I guess 2 discs will be what I'll be using if the movie can't be compressed to one. IMO, additional compression will only be worth using if the picture quality doesn't suffer much.

Again, GREAT news. Burning to 2 discs are better than burning to none. That is until the prices for HD DVD R media drops to mor affordable prices.:agree:


That's not a dumb question. ;)

[James]

Thanks James for the info. That's GREAT news to hear.

Why would compression be necessary on a HD DVD movie? It still doesn't have enough space with 15GB! Or are ALL movies compressed a little? Sorry for the dumb question.

Sorry, I don't understand the question.:confused:

[MMM]

Compression will almost be impossible if you want to keep the quality (it already is compressed much more than normal DVDs)

I am wondering about this comment. I didn't know there were any compression in DVD or HD-DVD movies.

[SamuriHL]

Yes, both DVD's and HD-DVD's are compressed. DVD's use MPEG-2. HD-DVD can use MPEG-2(at higher bitrates than standard DVD, obviously, but, that makes them HUGE), VC1(microsoft's codec), and MPEG-4 (H.264). Raw, uncompressed video is absolutely freaking huge. So, they compress them using one of the above mentioned codecs to make it fit on the available space. Hence, yes, all video you buy is compressed in one way or another.

HD DVD Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD)

[Eyedoctor2]

To split a DVD now into two single layer dvds I use DVD Fab.

But how would you do that with an HD-DVD?

Would this also be built into AnyDVD-HD?

First post- thanks in advance for replies.

[Charlie]

To split a DVD now into two single layer dvds I use DVD Fab.

But how would you do that with an HD-DVD?

Would this also be built into AnyDVD-HD?

First post- thanks in advance for replies.

Only the decrypter is in the works right now there is nothing in the works for burning HD-DVD's onto a disc. I don't think there is even a burner yet either nor blank HD-DVD's?

[Eyedoctor2]

Sorry for the vagueness of my question.

Earlier in the thread someone talked about ripping an HD-DVD movie and then splitting that into two DVD-Dl discs.

I was wondering exactly how one would split a ripped HD-DVD into two DVD-DL that a player would be able to read.

When doing this with a DVD now that requires a great deal of compression to fit on one single layer DVD, I use DVD Fab (old version).

Thanks again.

[Charlie]

Sorry for the vagueness of my question.

Earlier in the thread someone talked about ripping an HD-DVD movie and then splitting that into two DVD-Dl discs.

I was wondering exactly how one would split a ripped HD-DVD into two DVD-DL that a player would be able to read.

When doing this with a DVD now that requires a great deal of compression to fit on one single layer DVD, I use DVD Fab (old version).

Thanks again.

Even if you did so I still believe you need an HD-DVD player to play it unless you change the video/audio codecs. I may be wrong but there is a small doubt I'm correct here.

[old-hack]

Now that "AnyDVD HD" is on its way, what are we gonna burn our HD DVD movies to?

HD DVD-R blank media is expensive, at approximately $20+ a pop right now. Will a Dual-Layer DVD-R suffice with compression as DVD-Rs sufficed for Dual-layer movies.

From what I hear, HD movies are about 10GB and DL-DVD-Rs can hold <8.5GB and only cost about a $1, so will this be the best, most economical method?

And what will we use for compression? Will CLONE DVD be sufficient?


Aloha

From what I've seen of ripped HD-DVDs, the content is more like 25 - 30 Gigs. My question would be what is the impact on quality if that content gets compressed to 8.5 gigs.

[Eyedoctor2]

Compressing really wouldn't make a lot of sense. After all, that is why we want to watch HD-DVD to get max quality.

This goes back to my question about whether it would be possible to split ripped HD_DVD movies into 2-3 dual layer DVDs.

[MMM]

Yes, both DVD's and HD-DVD's are compressed. DVD's use MPEG-2. HD-DVD can use MPEG-2(at higher bitrates than standard DVD, obviously, but, that makes them HUGE), VC1(microsoft's codec), and MPEG-4 (H.264). Raw, uncompressed video is absolutely freaking huge. So, they compress them using one of the above mentioned codecs to make it fit on the available space. Hence, yes, all video you buy is compressed in one way or another.

HD DVD Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD)

Thanks for the info.:)

[MMM]

From what I've seen of ripped HD-DVDs, the content is more like 25 - 30 Gigs. My question would be what is the impact on quality if that content gets compressed to 8.5 gigs.

I was actually just talking about copying the main movie only. Am I wrong to believe it is only about 10GBs?

[colinhunt]

I was actually just talking about copying the main movie only. Am I wrong to believe it is only about 10GBs?
It's usually way more than that.

[MMM]

Only the decrypter is in the works right now there is nothing in the works for burning HD-DVD's onto a disc.

:agree: :agree: :agree: yet.

[Charlie]

Correct on that. I feel like a little boy waiting for Christmas with all this new technology. Waiting on uncle sam and then getting a 1080p T.V. Still using the standard itty bitty 27" at the moment. I have watched some dvd's on the T.V. 1080p and was amazed in the quality too.

[wdgoldstein]

It's usually way more than that.

Most of the HD-DVD's I have are about 25-27 gig with all tracks (feature, soundtracks, special features, etc.) at present AnyDVD/HD will allow watching them on a non HDCP system in full 1080i (yes most monitors can handle that) If you can handle 1080P your monitor is most likley HDCP already but if not it will show at that resolution. The latest release has added a "Rip to HDD" feature but Slysoft forgot to add the "Start Button" which I assume will be added to yet another release today. After that I believe the "Beta" period will be just about up as with this ommission the program appears complete and bug-less.

I assume Slysoft or someone else will then release a Clone type program which will use even further compression to allow the burning of HD discs to a single layer 15 gig HD-DVD-R disc. My beliefe is that compressing even further would defeat the purpose of HD-DVD.

Now if burners and media would only drop in prices...

[James]

Most of the HD-DVD's I have are about 25-27 gig with all tracks (feature, soundtracks, special features, etc.) at present AnyDVD/HD will allow watching them on a non HDCP system in full 1080i (yes most monitors can handle that) If you can handle 1080P your monitor is most likley HDCP already but if not it will show at that resolution. The latest release has added a "Rip to HDD" feature but Slysoft forgot to add the "Start Button" which I assume will be added to yet another release today. After that I believe the "Beta" period will be just about up as with this ommission the program appears complete and bug-less.

I assume Slysoft or someone else will then release a Clone type program which will use even further compression to allow the burning of HD discs to a single layer 15 gig HD-DVD-R disc. My beliefe is that compressing even further would defeat the purpose of HD-DVD.

Now if burners and media would only drop in prices...
The start button is called "copy dvd". The ripper is accessible from the tray menu "Rip Video HD DVD to harddisk..."

[wdgoldstein]

Not on my screen, see attachment

[James]

Not on my screen, see attachment
Whoa... That's weird! Can you see the buttons with the "normal" AnyDVD ripper?

EDIT:
Can you try to resize the window?

[wdgoldstein]

Whoa... That's weird! Can you see the buttons with the "normal" AnyDVD ripper?

EDIT:
Can you try to resize the window?

Perfectly. I have also dragged the mouse all over the "button" area to see if there is any indication of a "hidden" button but there is none. Strange huh?

[wdgoldstein]

Whoa... That's weird! Can you see the buttons with the "normal" AnyDVD ripper?

EDIT:
Can you try to resize the window?

The window does NOT open in a full symetrical manner(screen3.jpg) as does the DVD window (screen2.jpg). I must streatch it to see all controls. Even when "FullScreen" (screen 4.jpg)the buttons are missing.

[mike20021969]

i have a top spec laptop which plays/burns dvd's/cd's.
will anydvd hd allow me to watch an hd dvd on my laptop?
sorry if this is a stupid question.

[wdgoldstein]

i have a top spec laptop which plays/burns dvd's/cd's.
will anydvd hd allow me to watch an hd dvd on my laptop?
sorry if this is a stupid question.

Your laptop must be equipped with a HD-DVD drive. HP, Compaq and Toshiba each have released new models with these. You could add one of the X-BOX 360 external HD-DVD drives to watch if your laptop meets the video requirements of PowerDVD Ultra and you have the software.

[Klickety-Klack]

AnyDVD-HD should properly be a new product, with its own registration fee.

The great programmers need to make a living too, for providing this terrific software to us all.

Still, I do envy them living in Antigua. Sitting on the beach with a laptop, punching in code.

8)

[DetroitBaseball]

AnyDVD-HD should properly be a new product, with its own registration fee.

The great programmers need to make a living too, for providing this terrific software to us all.

Still, I do envy them living in Antigua. Sitting on the beach with a laptop, punching in code.

8)
It is a new product. It can decrypt DVDs too though. Existing AnyDVD users just can get a smaller upgrade free.

[Tony1M]

.....................................
This goes back to my question about whether it would be possible to split ripped HD_DVD movies into 2-3 dual layer DVDs.
I am resurrecting this thread because I too am interested in the answer to that question.

After having stripped away extraneous materials and reduced the size of the main movie file (as per Ryan's great thread on that subject) to say 14-20 gb, would it then be possible to split that onto two or 3 dual-layer dvds, and then play those dvds on my computer's LG hi-def, dual-format drive using Pdvd?

Thanks for any information.

Edit: I have answered my own question. Just ignore this post. If I thought it were kosher, I'd post a link to the solution, but I don't know that, so I won't.

[stinman>=]

I seen a guide on CD Freaks forum written by Zevia or post by her.It tells how to with blu-ray but a ? was asked would it work with HD and they said yes but you would have to get the EVO files in order first.They were playing theirs on PS3's.I have not tried this but I did read it.http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/how-downconvert-bd-dvd-239224/ hear is the link.Good luck!

[Tony1M]

Well, I'll take a chance:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd-blu-ray-dvd-guide-232165/

If anyone here has already tried the method described on that link, I'd like to hear how it went.