DVD shrink 3.2 [Archive]

tunas427

7th February 2007, 11:56

i use dvd shrink and now clonedvd2 ...... are there any advantages of using one over the other?? sometimes it takes me 3 hrs to encode some movies using shrink is this normal? clonedvd2 is faster but is the quality as good as shrink ... any information will be appreciated

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 11:57

One advantage: CloneDVD is updated while Shrink isn't, so it works better with newer movies. The quality is very close.

Webslinger

7th February 2007, 12:26

clonedvd2 is faster but is the quality as good as shrink

No. Both Shrink and Nero Recode produce better picture quality provided you're using deep or advanced analysis. The cost, of course, is the amount of time taken to transcode. I recommend ripping with Clonedvd2 and then importing into Shrink, if you're having problems with Shrink alone.

Clonedvd2 also has an advantage if you're splitting across two discs and want to retain menus. Shrink and Recode can't do this.

Clams

7th February 2007, 12:30

For many advanced users, the options available in Shrink are nicer than CloneDVD - like the ability to force any one of multiple streams. Also the transcoder (shrinker) in DVDShrink is second to none, except perhaps Nero Recode2 (written by the DVDShrink dood). Not to say the one in CloneDVD is bad, but it isn't Shrink. CloneDVD2 is prolly the best solution for Noobs when bundled with AnyDVD though, particularly those Noobs without some version of Nero on thier machine to actually BURN the disks ater they are ripped and Shrunk.

Slysoft has said they'll get around to looking at why AnyDVD isn't working on some titles with Shrink. I hope it's soon.
In the meantine Elby can keep thanking the Cods it jumped on the AnyDVD gravy train.

-W

SlyFox 1

7th February 2007, 13:27

The encoder in CCE Pro is better than Shrink or Recode as long as we are putting time aside as a negitive option.

Also the transcoder (shrinker) in DVDShrink is second to none

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 13:38

The encoder in CCE Pro is better than Shrink or Recode as long as we are putting time aside as a negitive option.
Thanks for setting the fanboys straight, SlyFox.

Webslinger

7th February 2007, 13:42

Thanks for setting the fanboys straight, SlyFox.

Lol. I'm not a "fanboy". I don't even use Shrink or Recode for my backups.

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 13:43

Lol. I'm not a "fanboy". I don't even use Shrink or Recode for my backups.
I wasn't referring to you, Web.

Clams

7th February 2007, 13:46

I wasn't referring to you, Web.

Considering Web and I have very similar opinions about transcoders, you can't be refering to one without the other. Unless you're just trolling me specificly for some reason. :D

-W

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 13:50

Considering Web and I have very similar opinions about transcoders, you can't be refering to one without the other. Unless you're just trolling me specificly for some reason. :D

-W
I don't troll or harass anyone intentionally on a forum, that makes no sense. I was just referring to any DVD Shrink fan boy.

Clams

7th February 2007, 13:50

The encoder in CCE Pro is better than Shrink or Recode as long as we are putting time aside as a negitive option.

I won't dispute that at all.

I tend to put time aside as a negative, because Shrink and Recode both have the option to shut down the computer when they are done transcoding. So if a movie doesn't suck, you can just tell the machine to transcode the main movie only - and go to bed. And time ceases to become an issue. :D

-W

Webslinger

7th February 2007, 13:55

The encoder in CCE Pro is better than Shrink or Recode as long as we are putting time aside as a negitive option.

As does Procoder and most other decent encoders . . .

Encoder quality > transcoder quality

In general, the more time it takes, the better the picture should be.

Clams

7th February 2007, 13:56

I don't troll or harass anyone intentionally on a forum, that makes no sense. I was just referring to any DVD Shrink fan boy.

DVDShrink has thousands of "fanboyz" for a reason you know.
It's in the top 5 programs ever made for this purpose, it's FREE, and it's got DEEP market penetration because of the above. (Great + Free = Market Penetration)

The only reasons anyone has ever bashed Shrink, is to somehow try to prop up a competing product.

-W

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 13:57

DVDShrink has thousands of "fanboyz" for a reason you know.
It's in the top 5 programs ever made for this purpose, it's FREE, and it's got DEEP market penetration because of the above. (Great + Free = Market Penetration)

The only reasons anyone has ever bashed Shrink, is to somehow try to prop up a competing product.

-W
It was one of the top 5 when it is updated, now it becomes harder and harder to use with the newer movies.

Clams

7th February 2007, 14:03

It was one of the top 5 when it is updated, now it becomes harder and harder to use with the newer movies.

And THAT's only because of COPY PROTECTION issues that we *customers* expect AnyDVD to FIX. This as opposed to blaming Shrink and steering us customers (like the Elby Sheep) to CloneDVD2.

It's not Shrink that I expect to handle the COPY PROTECTION on the newer DVD's .

-W

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 14:04

And THAT's only because of COPY PROTECTION issues that we *customers* expect AnyDVD to FIX. This as opposed to blaming Shrink and steering us customers (like the Elby Sheep) to CloneDVD2.

It's not Shrink that I expect to handle the COPY PROTECTION on the newer DVD's .

-W
Obviously AnyDVD does fix it because other programs can copy it. So Shrink is in the wrong, not AnyDVD.

Webslinger

7th February 2007, 14:07

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 14:09

I've already expressed my thoughts on this matter. I'm not going to be discussing anything further in this thread.

This has all the earmarks of a potential flame war, so I'd advise everyone to please remain civil.
Everyone is remaining civil, and that's the way it will continue to be. It's fine to debate things as long as you remain civil and respectful of the other's opinion.

Clams

7th February 2007, 14:10

Obviously AnyDVD does fix it because other programs can copy it. So Shrink is in the wrong, not AnyDVD.

Funny... AnyDVD said they'd look at this issue once the push for AnyDVD-HD is lessened. And us Shrink users take them at thier word. And it's not just Shrink... Shrink just *comes up* more because it's actually popular.

What's being done on the newer disks seems to be **copy protection** via an insurmountable number of *somethings* - be it errors or just sheer title or VOB count. But it IS copy protection, ands us Shrink users don't use Shrink to handle the **copy protection** issues.

-W

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 14:11

Funny... AnyDVD said they'd look at this issue once the push for AnyDVD-HD is lessened. And us Shrink users take them at thier word. And it's not just Shrink... Shrink just *comes up* more because it's actually popular.

What's being done on the newer disks seems to be **copy protection** via an insurmountable number of *somethings* - be it errors or just sheer title or VOB count. But it IS copy protection, ands us Shrink users don't use Shrink to handle the **copy protection** issues.

-W
I copied Open Season with AnyDVD and CloneDVD2, one of the movies that couldn't be copied with the inferior and outdated DVD Shrink. So obviously it's not just AnyDVD.

Clams

7th February 2007, 14:24

I copied Open Season with AnyDVD and CloneDVD2, one of the movies that couldn't be copied with the inferior and outdated DVD Shrink. So obviously it's not just AnyDVD.

Shrink is only "outdated" because of COPY PROTECTION issues.
Issues that AnyDVD has SAID they'll handle. Aside from the fact that CloneDVD2 actually *works* with AnyDVD with the newer titles (that appeared only over the last 2 weeks) - it had little else going for it THREE weeks ago to get a great claim to fame. It's another good product in a pack that was dominated by the free product DVDShrink.

Shrink is superior to CloneDVD2 in almost every way - except COPY PROTECTION issues. Also CloneDVD has a built in burner - eliminating the need for Nero (the other market leader). Pointing out that AnyDVD is working fine with the products of it's *marketing partner* (Elby) while not working with the de-facto (free) standard DvdShrink 3.2 - does not actually paint AnyDVD in a better light, nor Elby for that matter.

-W

gwilterdink

7th February 2007, 17:56

James

7th February 2007, 18:21

One of the things DVDShrink has that I really like is the ability to trim the beginning and end of the video file with a granularity down to a frame by frame level. This fine trimming to get rid of the production splash screens at the beginning and the credits at the end has allowed me to fit a video on a single layer DVD without any transcoding. It also makes the post processed AVI file just that much smaller saving valuable hard disk space on a PVP.

DVDclone only allows whole chapter editing.
Nobody says Shrink is a "bad" or "inferior" product (well, at least I don't).
Use CloneDVD2 *and* Shrink. Get the best of both worlds. CloneDVD2 can do all the things Shrink can't do (removing titles while keeping menus, splitting titles while keeping menus, ripping all protections) and vice versa.
If you want to use Shrink - Rip with AnyDVD & CloneDVD. You can even "preprocess" with CloneDVD while ripping. Then use Shrink to compress / finetune / whatever. Or to combine discs created with CloneDVD.

Liquidmagic

7th February 2007, 22:41

DetroitBaseball

7th February 2007, 23:29

I sometimes do this exactly the same way in preparation for conversion to divx. That is about the only time I use shrink or recode2 anymore. I simply cannot tell the difference between clonedvd2 & shrink or recode. Bad eyes I guess.:agree:
You're not the only one. It's not bad eyes, it's just that, no matter what anybody on this forum says, the difference is minimal.

Clams

8th February 2007, 02:12

I've already expressed my thoughts on this matter. I'm not going to be discussing anything further in this thread.

This has all the earmarks of a potential flame war, so I'd advise everyone to please remain civil.

Won't happen.... see what I said in the other thread about the "two-step".
I know when I'm being ankle-bitten on purpose.

-W

oldjoe

8th February 2007, 09:45

Slysoft, first and foremost, is a "business". They sell a product (CloneDVD2) that does what a free product (DVDShrink) does. They are updating AnyDVD to work with their product and not the competition........ not unheard of in the business community. That generates sales for their product resulting in more profit for their business.
I've used Shrink for several years and now I have found alternative methods.