Forcing Subtitles through BR ISO Format

[SirGCal]

Originally Posted by Adbear

I've had no issue with Avatar, 2012, Star Trek and a whole host of other films that have forced subtitles using Clown BD, normally takes about 40-50 mins depending on the film to end up with a folder I can then play back in TMT3, and the forced subtitles work.. You do have to load the full original ripped folder or disc into Clown BD otherwise it doesn't know which tracks are supposed to be forced.
Another way to do it is to use BD rebuilder. You tell it you want to make a movie only and set the disc size to custom, make the custom size bigger than the original disc size then remove the audio/subtitle tracks you don't want. It will then build a new disc without having to re-encode as the disc space allotted is more than the disc space needed

BD Rebuilder is a newer one to me. I'll check it out. Doesn't sound like it's going to do exactly what I'm after but... I'll try anything once. Thanks.

[Adbear]

Both BD rebuilder and CLown BD do exactly what you want, Movie only ISO's with forced subtitles on. Clown BD has worked every time for me on the movies you reference

[mike_r]

Originally Posted by SirGCal

Plus, per the author, it's no longer supported/updated...

It's not updated as it does exactly what it should do, if it's not supported then why would I bother to 'support' you.

The short answer is you can't do what you want just by using tsMuxeR.

The long answer is if you demux out the PGS stream (using either tsMuxeR or eac3to) then you can pass the PGS stream through BDSup2Sup extracting only the images with attribute forced=y. After this you need to remux the audio, video and all PGS streams back together as a Blu-Ray structure. using BDEdit you need to set the command to enable PGS stream X (which is the forced dialogue). You can use this tool to do it, or even a hex editor. After this use IMGBurn to create an ISO.

Alternatively you can do it all with Clown_BD which is essentially a GUI for the above workflow.

[SirGCal]

Originally Posted by Adbear

Both BD rebuilder and CLown BD do exactly what you want, Movie only ISO's with forced subtitles on. Clown BD has worked every time for me on the movies you reference

No. Again, read exactly what I'm looking for... You're missing the point. I've tried to explain it... I'm not sure how else to...

Originally Posted by mike_r

It's not updated as it does exactly what it should do, if it's not supported then why would I bother to 'support' you.

The short answer is you can't do what you want just by using tsMuxeR.

The long answer is if you demux out the PGS stream (using either tsMuxeR or eac3to) then you can pass the PGS stream through BDSup2Sup extracting only the images with attribute forced=y. After this you need to remux the audio, video and all PGS streams back together as a Blu-Ray structure. using BDEdit you need to set the command to enable PGS stream X (which is the forced dialogue). You can use this tool to do it, or even a hex editor. After this use IMGBurn to create an ISO.

Alternatively you can do it all with Clown_BD which is essentially a GUI for the above workflow.

I never said/wanted only to use a muxer. I just don't always want some program to do everything in it's own way. I think you do however understand what I'm after. I do like Clown (more on that later) but everyone just wanted to scream "use clown" and not actually answer my real question...

I've used BDedit as I mentioned before but must have missed this command you speak of. I'll have another look... I'm also very happy to do it with hex editors but I need to know the layout of the file and so far haven't had much luck looking for the hex information of bdmv or mpls files with any simple descriptions.

I like clown, don't get me wrong. I do once in a while still use it for multi-part m2ts stuff sometimes (though actually it's simple just to keep them multi-part when you're making the iso anyhow). It's just so slow for what I most of the time am doing... Perhaps I haven't found a way to skip the stuff I don't want/need it to do and it's already there but... I don't want to remix any audio, change any video, etc. Most of the time (accept obviously with the occasional need to use BDsub2sub or something) I just want to take the complete original m2ts file and mpls file and stick it in it's own iso... I personally would like a 'just port this mpls and create the bdmv files' option without all of the re-re-encoding and what not. It just takes forever... And my system is quite healthy, with multiple storage sources to lower IO effects (not reading/writing from the same drives at a given step for example) that isn't the issue.

Actually, while talking about Clown, I'd also like to have it auto-clean after itself. I might use it more then. Having to go all over to clean up after it annoys me. And another option to have it ignore if a directory isn't empty or 'erase before start' or something... And not to store the temp files or store them somewhere else. I even have many different actual HDDs to help reduce IO bottle-necking to speed it up but it still crawls (relatively speaking). And another small item, 'Step 3' doesn't have the option of saying 'force this subtitle always start by default' in blu-ray mode which is where I might expect it so I can choose which one I want to have enabled automatically by default.

If I could perhaps have it skip eac3to unless necessary, and muxer, and just make the proper drive structure and necessary files for the options selected; or even just the option to 'force this subtitle to load by default' in bluray mode, I might use it a lot more often truly. I don't always want to force just FORCED subtitles. I sometimes want to force a specific subtitle track to always start by default (many foreign language films I have for example, I need English subtitles on by default). I also help a deaf neighbor with some of her stuff (she thinks this is just fascinating) and do some for her now and then and he obviously needs the full-English turned on by default (yes you have the 'force subtitle' box on Step 1 but it doesn't always pick the right one and then you have to shuffle them around or what not which just gets more confusing.)

It's a great and beautiful piece of software that is very powerful and relatively simple to use, and I used to use it a lot more often, but when I hear the programmer say he's done working on it and there will be no more changes... It really makes me wary is all. Plus, part of me just want's to know the dirty details so that WHEN a disk breaks the norm, I can find a way to force it to bend it to my will... and do it all much faster...

If you have any links about the HEX information for those files, I'd love to take a look-see. What is where, what triggers what, etc. Or if you are still willing to make some tiny tweaks to clown, I could offer up a detailed list of a few simple suggestions that many people might find useful... If you wanted. I had it at one point but then notice you said you were done with it so I stopped. Many were just what I said above. Cleanup pieces, skip this or that pieces... A full-quiet mode (no java window at the top), perhaps affinity selections if you wanted to get a bit trickier, etc. I'll probably be one of the first in line to buy CloneBD when ever they finish it... But... I still think this has some features that clone might not... But we'll have to wait and see...

Sorry if I hit a nerve; I didn't mean to. I do like your software. Just thought it still had so much untapped potential and polish and actually, was a bit disappointed when I heard it was no longer updated (sorry, I guess that is different then 'supported'. Apologies for that. My bad.).

As for the 'Correct BD' tool, I'll give it a look-see. Thank you very much.

[PrincipalityFusion]

Well, it's a shame that BDEdit is out of the question because it does exactly what you want (edit the index, plalist, clipinf, etc). Alot of the programs that have that functionality use command line BDEdit to parse out the original structure and also make a new BD structure.

And eac3to doesn't encode anything. It parses out the components of the bluray. BDHDStreamExtractor uses eac3to to display what the bluray structure is made of. So just about any of the free tools out there that you might use will probably use eac3to in some way.

So if what you want is a tool that will show you the innards of those files, BDEdit is it. You would definitely have an easier time figuring that out than figuring out how to apply a general hex tool to those files. Doom9 has a link with alot of helpful post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125903

My suggestion would be to sign up over there so you can asks questions about how to properly edit those files. The authors of alot of those tools spend time on that forum and would offer some good help.

Just a note of caution. The guys/gals over there are VERY knowledgeable about what they are talking about. You go over there telling people that they don't understand what you are saying and they are going to tell you to go f#$k yourself really quickly. I would recommend a little humility as you are the one trying to learn.

[SirGCal]

Originally Posted by PrincipalityFusion

Well, it's a shame that BDEdit is out of the question because it does exactly what you want (edit the index, plalist, clipinf, etc).

??? I don't know what you're talking about... I have never said BDedit was out of the question. That was a really bad assumption on your part... I mentioned quite a few times that I use it, and in multiple posts. Why would you even assume it is out of the question...?!? Furthermore, I've also added requests now and again in the past through the official website (pel.hu).

Originally Posted by PrincipalityFusion

And eac3to doesn't encode anything. It parses out the components of the bluray.

Sorry, that is also incorrect... eac3to does a LOT of stuff, including but obviously not limited to, re-encoding audio tracks. It can encode from/to DTS, AAC, AC3, FLAC, WAV, PCM, RAW, etc.

Infact that's about all I ever really used it for in the past before there were fully HD audio capable players. I used it to re-encode the TrueHD or DTS-HD tracks into more conventional standard AC3 5.1 channel tracks. It did that very nice and fast. But other than that and getting a quick what's what in the playlist, I didn't find it overly useful over other options that were available, but it's a nice command line option.

[jedisinclair]

I found an easier way to do forced subtitles on movie-only backups. I'm not sure if it works on every movie, but so far, it worked on 2012 and Avatar. All you have to do is rip the iso with anydvd HD. Then run BD Rebuilder. In the BD Rebuilder settings, check ONLY English (eng) subtitles and UNCHECK "keep only one subtitle for each language". Seems too easy, but it worked !!!

I stumbled onto one more thing, taking this process one step further... in movies like Gran Torino, Kill Bill, Iron Man. When you use BD Rebuilder, (with the settings listed above), hit the little + next to subtitles on the main screen of the program, you'll have 2 or 3 English subtitles, RIGHT-click on the bottom one and choose "turn on" ... voila! The forced subtitle will now display by default when you play the movie.