Cinavia, Feb, 1, 2012 and forwards

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by James

As AnyDVD can't remove Cinavia in realtime (which would mean decoding HD audio, removing Cinavia, re-encoding HD audio, all on a random access optical disc using "magic file and magic sector replacement(tm)"... you get the point?) you're screwed one way or another.

I know. I had a theory for you for AnyDVD, though. I'll send it to you later and see what you think. In any case, since I back up my stuff to MKV, not a big deal. Stuff I rent, however, this is just going to irritate the hell out of me. I'll be forced to stick with my non-licensed players. Oh darn.

[rik1138]

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

If you are going to attempt to remove Cinavia, then you need to decode the audio to raw PCM so that you can apply whatever process you need to on it. It's unlikely that this will be possible in realtime in AnyDVD. Some day in the future once the process for removing Cinavia is hammered out, I can envision how it might work in AnyDVD, but, you'd lose bitstreaming using my theory.

It would have to compressed back to the audio format as well (DTS-HD MA or whatever), which is going to be tough I think. Otherwise, you will quickly run into discs you can't burn to BD-Rs as converting the lossless audio to PCM will make it too big (and might cause buffer problems with the video playback).

Of course, let's worry about getting it removed in the first place... Re-encoding details can be worked out later.

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

The software players worry me the most in the Cinavia scenario. I *ALWAYS* have AnyDVD enabled on my HTPC's. The minute software players check for it, we're basically screwed on discs that have Cinavia with AnyDVD running.

Just don't update the software players... (or keep the old versions around). I have two versions of PowerDVD installed on my computer: 7.3 and 8.0
I use 7.3 for DVD (since it doesn't ask me to rate every damn one I play) and HD DVD (yeah, it happens occasionally...), and 8.0 for Blu-ray (even though 7.3 has played every Blu-ray I've tried with it also).

I have yet to find a Blu-ray disc that won't play perfectly in PowerDVD 8.0. At the very least, keep a copy of 8.0 on your machine (or 9, 10 or 11 if it's Cinavia free). You can use that version to play infected discs, and the newest version (if you want) for everything else...

[SamuriHL]

I tend to use TMT5, myself, for a commercial player. I own PDVD 11 and WinDVD 2010 but rarely use them. I'm not terribly concerned about myself. Just in general it could be a "fun time" trying to keep up with what works, what doesn't, etc. When the time comes and the software players are updated, I will update a sticky on the forum with the last known good versions. However, and here's the key, I won't be able to provide links to them. So, my advice to those who use software players is exactly what you said...keep an old version around. May not have to INSTALL it right now, but, keep it around for when you do need it. You never know.

[fast eddie]

I think I will try this two temporary fixs for the Cinavia until a good circumvention/removal of Cinavia is found.

Currently I have four non-cinavia Blu-ray players to use.

ALL my current back-ups for Blu-ray have AACS removed and ALL my back-ups for standard definition have CSS removed.
All Blu-ray back-ups are on BD-R single layer and dual layer, and all my standard definition is on DVD-5 and DVD-9.

I am going to reserve three non-cinavia Blu-ray players to the current firmware that is installed now and NO updates of firmware, so they will play ALL EXISTING back-ups on BD-R, DVD-5 and DVD-9.

I am going to reserve one non-cinavia Blu-ray player for new pressed BD-ROM and DVD-ROM factory pressed disks, since AACS and CSS only lasts approximately 12 to 18 months before a new firware update is required in order to play the new pressed released disks. But I will ONLY UPDATE the firmware if the new release disk will not play.

Second temporary fix:
Build a BD-REC disk using the X company method of building a BD-REC disk with partial or complete AACS on the back-up disk, just enought AACS left on the disk in order to trick the Blu-ray player in thinking it is a trusted source. I believe, but not tested, all my Blu-ray players will play BD-REC back-up disks. Latest AACS on the disks and latest AACS acknowlegement on the firmware updates so the new releases will play.

Sad to see one has to go to so much extreme, to back-up a disk you own and should be able to do ANYTHING you want with the disk YOU OWN.

[zero7404]

Originally Posted by fast eddie

Sad to see one has to go to so much extreme, to back-up a disk you own and should be able to do ANYTHING you want with the disk YOU OWN.

i agree with you, unfortunately when you buy the disc you enter the terms/agreement as stated on the face of the disc as well as the fbi copy warning that comes up when you play it.

so these studios have already made it 'law' that you cannot do whatever you want with what you bought ....

this firmware update thing and new movie releases is going to cause problems for many consumers. they buy a player and expect it to play their movies, no questions asked. but since the AACS info on a player needs to be updated periodically to play new releases, ppl will get agitated quickly. so now the everyday guy who doesn't want to be bothered with firmware updates or doesn't have the time in their schedule will feel shortchanged when they can't play a new release until a firmware update has been performed ....

pay for HBO, pay for ppv, pay for blu-rays and dvd's, pay for movie subscriptions, etc .... pay pay pay ! one way or another you have to PAY to watch something (unless you're content with broadcast). it's music to the studios' ears.

[fast eddie]

Originally Posted by Roycal

BTW. I hope my tax money is not paying for investigating "fair use DVD copying" while the Iranians are hacking our Drones and no one knows how that could happen.

No kidding though,that drone is real. Its not fake.

Of course you are paying for useless investigation, the new wave of American politics, corrupt politics from the top down, the American dream is gone for your childrens, children.

Obama and company are taking your tax dollars and giving it to the Iranians thru the back door, and telling them keep-up the good work, your drone work on hacking was excellent.

[Clams]

It's virtually a lost cause - the system is now systemically corrupted by all the money.
Blaming any specific party or politician just illustrates a lack of understanding as to how bad it's gotten.

-W

[SamuriHL]

Guys...cinavia.

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[Clams]

Ya......... but.......
Isn't General Chat the very place for off-topic "strange" discussions?
When discussing SOPA, Protect-IP, and other DRM laws... there's really no way to avoid noting that big business and legislation are conspiring to destroy consumer rights - or any consumer advantages for that matter.

-W

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by Clams

Ya......... but.......
Isn't General Chat the very place for off-topic "strange" discussions?
When discussing SOPA, Protect-IP, and other DRM laws... there's really no way to avoid noting that big business and legislation are conspiring to destroy consumer rights - or any consumer advantages for that matter.

-W

The topic of *THIS* thread is for Cinavia. You really aren't too bright arguing with a mod, are you? You want to discuss those other things, create a topic for them.