Cinavia Protected Disks and Blu-ray Players (disks and players ONLY)

[Rodster]

Hi all

An update to the predicament I had. I had a Sony BDP-S780 (Non Cinavia) BD Player. Only had it 5 months and the diode died - was intermittently playing / not playing original and backup discs which all played perfectly on my BD Windows laptop. I sent my BD player away for repair under warranty, and apparently the BD drive itself had failed to such a point the drive itself was replaced. So, still have the 780 model but with a new optical drive and tray. The new Sony BDP-S790 enforces Cinavia as stated in it's manual, so glad they just replaced the internal drive on my 780 and didn't just give me the new Cinavia infected 790. The repairer upgraded the Firmware to M07.R.0615 (Australian Model), and successfully played back Green Lantern BD backup which originally had Cinavia. The movie was still playing fine after 29 minutes no issues whatsoever.

Just discovered Sony have released a newer Firmware - http://www.sony.com.au/support/downl...oduct/bdp-s780 - M07.R.0600 yet still no mention of Cinavia, so is it risky to upgrade or have Sony just conveniently not mentioned the "C" word? Mentions: This utility upgrades BDP-S480/S485/S580/S780 firmware to version M07.R.0600 and provides the following benefits: BRAVIA Internet Video improvement - Same as what the last upgrade said. Australian Link: http://download.sony-asia.com/downlo...A_M07R0600.zip

Decided to do a comparison with the Sony US support site for the same model BDP-S780 which has a newer firmware - M07.R.0620 which includes Note: This upgrade includes Cinavia™ content protection technology. For those interested here is the file link: http://S02.download.sony.com/US/blur...A_M07R0620.ZIP

[BobbyD]

For general info...After backing up a dozen BluRay 3D discs of various new titles, I ripped Wrath of the Titans 3D to my HDD using Rip Image. Burned on a BD-R 50GB blank. When played back on my new Sony BDP-S790 the AUDIO quit after 10 minutes with a "Cinavia Protection" warning. Never had a problem with this on any 3D. Will dig deeper to hopefully find a solution.

[Adbear]

The solution is to not play it on a Cinavia enabled player, at the moment the only way to remove Cinavia is to find a copy of the film from elsewhere in the world that doesn't have Cinavia and replace the audio track with that one

[walris]

22 minutes in got the Error 3.

[walris]

Very interesting. The Blu-ray is protected with Cinavia. I then took the backup and using BD Rebuilder, shrunk it to a DVD-9 side and reburned, thinking that because Cinavia looks for AACS keys and there aren't any, maybe the Cinavia wouldn't impact playback. It did. Can anyone explain how Cinavia can work on a DVD-9?

[Adbear]

I assume you mean that when you played it back you got the Cinavia message, if so then that's what it's supposed to do, Cinavia looks for the correct AACS etc, and if it's missing then any Cinavia detecting player will flag up that it's missing and trigger the warning messages. It wouldn't be much of a copy protection if it was that easy to get round

[walris]

Originally Posted by Adbear

I assume you mean that when you played it back you got the Cinavia message, if so then that's what it's supposed to do, Cinavia looks for the correct AACS etc, and if it's missing then any Cinavia detecting player will flag up that it's missing and trigger the warning messages. It wouldn't be much of a copy protection if it was that easy to get round

To confirm, yes, when I played back the DVD-9 version of a "shrunk" Blyu-ray that is Cinavia-protected, I got the error. I was just surprised to find that a DVD-9 on a Blu-ray player would still trigger the protection, because I didn't think that non Blu-rays had an AACS key.

So are standard DVD-ROMs (dual layer) also showing up with Cinavia protection as well? Or is it just limited to Blu-rays due to the cost of encoding?

Thanks

[fast eddie]

I would think the engineering design by Verance corporation, for the addition of the cancer audio stream Cinavia to the pressed BD-ROM would be the same as for pressed DVD-ROM.
You are only looking at a format change and disk size change, the processing of adding the cancer Cinavia audio stream might be just a touch different from BD-ROM to DVD-ROM but the end results are the same.

[Adbear]

Originally Posted by walris

To confirm, yes, when I played back the DVD-9 version of a "shrunk" Blyu-ray that is Cinavia-protected, I got the error. I was just surprised to find that a DVD-9 on a Blu-ray player would still trigger the protection, because I didn't think that non Blu-rays had an AACS key.

So are standard DVD-ROMs (dual layer) also showing up with Cinavia protection as well? Or is it just limited to Blu-rays due to the cost of encoding?

Thanks

This is the whole point of the Cinavia watermark, there'd be no point putting it in if it was so easy to bypass. If you play back on a Cinavia detecting player and have the correct AACS etc on a disc then the disc plays fine, if you remove the AACS then it causes the player to trigger the Cinavia message.
You might want to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia

[Rich86]

I downloaded the latest firmware update for the Sony S350/S550 & burned it to a CD-R following Sony's instructions exactly (Windows 7 Pro/64).
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/sup...=1&info_id=605
I have now installed firmware 026 on both my S350 & S550 with no problems and they both work fine.
I also did some testing and can confirm the players have remained free of cinavia as promised by Sony tech support.