Panasonic solution- sony player, but now no sound.

[jaywindy]

Hi, I have a problem with no sound (output raw bitstreamed) from a sony blu ray player s350 to a new amp that decodes the new blu ray audio formats. I have burnt 5 blu ray main movies only onto bd-re discs from blu rays with True hd sound.

This is not a problem with the sony stand alone player or the receiver as these work fine on original discs and other burnt discs as further explained below.

I used tsmuxer to create a blu ray with the relevant video and sound track.
Created a iso and burnt it to disc.

If i play the disc on the pc i get sound, but that is down graded sound that power dvd outputs as 2 channel.

So i know the sound is there.

I will catagorise two types of discs, ones that wont play on the panasonic, and ones that do play on the panasonic

The ones that dont play on the panasonic ( freeze frame advanced picture playback and no sound) will play back on the sony , picture is now fine but no sound still.

The ones that do play back on the panasonic also play back on the sony, and playback with with dts-hd, or dts master Audio.

I initially thought that there may be a issue with tsmuxer, but with this evidence it appears not to be the case.

The particular DISCs that are causing playback problems on the panasonic players are not fully solvable by changing to a sony player. The picture is fixed, but you have no sound.

So it appears to me that the JAVA issue is effecting the sound being bitstreamed on these problem discs.

Note this applies to True hd and dts master audio that is raw Bitstreamed to a amplifier for decoding. It does not effect power dvd in a pc.

I really have no idea how to solve this, Would appreciate advice.

Thanks

[mike_r]

I think you'll find it is a problem with tsMuxeR. You should be able to prove this by making a 1:1 copy of the disk causing problems (removing the protection with AnyDVD-HD).

[JayDox]

Originally Posted by jaywindy

This is not a problem with the sony stand alone player or the receiver as these work fine on original discs and other burnt discs as further explained below.

I used tsmuxer to create a blu ray with the relevant video and sound track.
Created a iso and burnt it to disc.

You can't mux TrueHD with tsmuxer, this is a known problem. Use ts4np for remuxing TrueHD audio streams.

Originally Posted by jaywindy

If i play the disc on the pc i get sound, but that is down graded sound that power dvd outputs as 2 channel.

So i know the sound is there.

PDVD always outputs TrueHD as 2 channel audio.

Originally Posted by jaywindy

I will catagorise two types of discs, ones that wont play on the panasonic, and ones that do play on the panasonic

The ones that dont play on the panasonic ( freeze frame advanced picture playback and no sound) will play back on the sony , picture is now fine but no sound still.

Both problems, jerky or no playback of VC-1 streams and no sound with THD tracks are caused by TSMuxer. As already mentioned before, using a professional authoring software will solve these problems.

Originally Posted by jaywindy

So it appears to me that the JAVA issue is effecting the sound being bitstreamed on these problem discs.

No, it isn't. Once again, BD-J has nothing to do with the audio/video streams included in m2ts files, it does not check if some of the streams have been modified, remuxed or something like that.

Originally Posted by jaywindy

I really have no idea how to solve this, Would appreciate advice.

I know this is not what you want to hear, but either buy a professional authoring software or wait for CloneBD. Till then, the only option you have is to do a 1:1 copy of your original Blu-ray if you want to have 100% working backups.

[jaywindy]

Thanks for the info, But as i stated, i have backed up movies with Dolby true hd and also Master hd Audio that Work using tsmuxer.

( ie Hellboy 2. Backed up main movie only HD Master audio bitsteamed to amp. amp stated Master Audio is being input and plays perfect.)

So therefore Ts muxer alone is not the cause, possibly its the VC1 causing the problem with/ or without this combination together.

Has anyone used the ts4np muxer with success, as mentioned by jaydox, with dolby true hd sound and / or vc1?

Also can anyone link where ts4np can be downloaded.


I know that clone bd may be in the making, but if it only clones the whole disc, its not really a good solution ,as the cost of 25g discs ( main movie only) is relatively cheap compared to 50g discs that you would have to use for cloning..


Thanks

[Adbear]

Just because some work in TSmuxer doesn't mean that Tsmuxer isn't the problem, both myself and JayDox have already proven that if you take the same streams that fail to play when remuxed in Tsmuxer and run them through Scenarist they then work.

CloneBD won't just clone the disc as is otherwise there would be no point in making it as you can already do that just using AnyDVD HD. From what I've read around the forums the intention is that it'll allow you to shrink the film or remove extra's etc