Recode and AnyDVD?

[Spanky]

I’m curious as to why I can now rip directly from the DVD movies with structural protections with Nero Recode. It is Nero 9 Reloaded and the latest beta from AnyDVD 6.6.2.7. I’ve tried the last couple from Sony and Disney with convoluted structures and they work fine. I used to have to rip to the HDD first? Is AnyDVD better, Nero Recode better or I just haven’t run into the right (or wrong) structural protection?

[Rodster]

Originally Posted by Spanky

I’m curious as to why I can now rip directly from the DVD movies with structural protections with Nero Recode. It is Nero 9 Reloaded and the latest beta from AnyDVD 6.6.2.7. I’ve tried the last couple from Sony and Disney with convoluted structures and they work fine. I used to have to rip to the HDD first? Is AnyDVD better, Nero Recode better or I just haven’t run into the right (or wrong) structural protection?

I actually think Nero Recode just blatantly thinks nothing more about the copy protection, but if you try to do a recode output you will probably find issues will arrise or it will fail completely. Structural copy protection is specifically designed to confuse most apps into thinking these are minor errors. Nero Recode is purely for recoding data, it does not remove copy protection schemes, this is AnyDVD's job which is performs perfectly.

[Spanky]

Originally Posted by Rodster

I actually think Nero Recode just blatantly thinks nothing more about the copy protection, but if you try to do a recode output you will probably find issues will arrise or it will fail completely. Structural copy protection is specifically designed to confuse most apps into thinking these are minor errors. Nero Recode is purely for recoding data, it does not remove copy protection schemes, this is AnyDVD's job which is performs perfectly.

Ok so I guess I didn’t make my point clear. I used to have to rip disks to the hard drive then run recode on the ripped folder because it would not handle structural protection on the fly. It seems lately I don’t have to do this. Of course AnyDVD is running in the background because Recode won’t decrypt but then neither will CloneDVD .

[Clams]

Originally Posted by Spanky

I’m curious as to why I can now rip directly from the DVD movies with structural protections with Nero Recode. It is Nero 9 Reloaded and the latest beta from AnyDVD 6.6.2.7. I’ve tried the last couple from Sony and Disney with convoluted structures and they work fine. I used to have to rip to the HDD first? Is AnyDVD better, Nero Recode better or I just haven’t run into the right (or wrong) structural protection?

This is the first I've heard of this... It could be that they finally updated Nero Recode to rip via title set as opposed to by file structure.

I can tell you that it's not an AnyDVD change. That said... it's always been "hit or miss" with DVDShrink and Recode vs Structurally Protected disks. Some worked and some did not - so our advice here is to rip them all with the AnyDVD ripper to be sure.

Can you possibly do a homework assignment and try to find some Nero Recode release notes or the changelog ??

-W

[Spanky]

Sure, I'll take a look when I get home this evening, at work just now.

[Spanky]

Well I can't find a change log anywhere? I'll keep looking and also keep looking for my copy of Rambo, I remember Recode choked on that one and I'll check it with reloaded.

[Clams]

I'm curious because I usually refer to recode as "DVDShrink in Nero skin - with a few features removed - and a few bugs added"
In other words I reccommend that most Recode users just get DVDShrink 3.2 and use the "real deal". Now if they actually did something to update and fix Nero Recode - I might be less harsh.

-W

[Spanky]

Clams, I don't know if this is meaningful or not but picked up a copy of New Moon this morning and Recode and Shrink both ripped it from the DVD. This is the single disk version. I still can't find my copy of Rambo?

Summary for drive E: (AnyDVD 6.6.3.0)
TSSTCORP CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 0422
Drive (Hardware) Region: 1
Media is a DVD.
Booktype: dvd-rom (version 1), Layers: 2 (opposite)
Size of first Layer: 2084960 sectors (4072 MBytes)
Total size: 4153328 sectors (8111 MBytes)
Video DVD (or CD) label: TWILIGHT_SAGA_NEW_MOON
Media is CSS protected!
Video Standard: NTSC
Media is locked to region(s): 1!
Found & removed structural copy protection!
Found & removed invalid cell pieces!
Found & removed bogus title set(s)!
RCE protection not found.
UDF filesystem patched!
Autorun not found on Video DVD.
Found & removed 9 potential bad sector protections!
Emulating RPC-2 drive with region 1!

[Clams]

There are 3 versions of New Moon in Region 1. If you got a good rip with all file sizes and timestamps correct with Shrink and Recode - you are one lucky dood based on the AnyDVD board.

Try doing an AnyDVD rip and importing that into Shrink - compare the two.

-W

[Spanky]

The results are identical per your suggestion. I ripped from the DVD to a blank SL and it plays fine? I went back and tried 2012, Hachi a Sony structural job and The Princess and the Frog and all work equally well. If it is as you say and AnyDVD is not passing the correct title info through to the transcoder, then structural protections are not what they used to be.