Forcing Subtitles through BR ISO Format

[SirGCal]

OK, I've searched and searched and I can't for the life of me figure out how to do this...
I've been trying to shrink my ISOs for my BR movies on my server. Some like Avatar are extremely complicated, some should be simple. Right now I'm trying to figure out the simple ones. For example, Star Trek - The Motion Picture. Simple format, it has a specific PSG track for the forced subtitles. How in the heck can I force the ISO to load that track by default when playing the disk...?

I tried BDedit and I can not find any options to force a specific subtitle track... Though that software is quite a bit cryptic so maybe I just haven't found it. I can make the basic ISO any number of ways but...

I have tons of BRs and 12 TB of storage. Still I can't load them all. Saving 5-20G per movie is absolutely worth it. I have some just pulled down to .m2ts files but I'm missing the forced subtitles (and PDVD 10 even won't let you select subtitle tracks from the .m2ts, and making an iso out of it, I still have to select a track. And I still have no solution for Avatar type movies yet...).

Any help? I'm guessing it has to do (at least for those with a special track for forced titles) with the .mpls file but...

EDIT: To clarify many confusions: I'm ideally looking for a tool which lets me DIRECTLY edit the bdmv/mpls files to configure them up properly. NOT some do-it-all tool. OR also useful would be what-is-where and then I can hex-edit the file or what not. Ideally, that's what I'm looking for. Or a tool that will setup only those files... I don't want it to remaster or mux or anything else. I have the file structure and all of the original files. I just want to know how to edit these files to make them dance to my tune.

[mike_r]

Use Clown_BD it does it all for you.

[SirGCal]

Originally Posted by mike_r

Use Clown_BD it does it all for you.

Clown BD takes three hours or more to do what should take 15 minutes... Plus, it's not forcing the subtitles I want either. Plus, per the author, it's no longer supported/updated...

[Adbear]

If it takes 3 hours then you're doing something wrong, and it does keep the forced subtitles, I've already tried it with Avatar so I know it works, but you have to play back forced subs using a full disc structure.

[SirGCal]

Clown_BD does eac3to, tsmuxer, etc. when all I want is the iso tweaks. Clown does take forever and a day... I don't need eac3to for some like Star Trek (1) which has the forced titles alone in it's own PSG stream. I can pull the .m2ts off in < 10 minutes, even removing the extra languages... All I need is the proper ISO setup. There has to be something that happens to the .mpls or index files in the ISO format to force the use of subtitle track X as default... THAT is what I'm looking for. I want to know what file, how and what... Not 'just use this tool'. And I don't use unsupported software anyhow cause eventually it won't work anymore...

As you can see from my first post, I'm looking for the answer to the first part of the question. Not the Avatar problem (unless someone has a better option other than just 'use brand-x...'). I want some software that does proper and direct editing of the mpls and/or index files in such a way that I can force a subtitle track.

[PrincipalityFusion]

Originally Posted by SirGCal

All I need is the proper ISO setup.

That's not all you need. The ISO format is only a file container. It has nothing to do with the structure that you're trying to play back. You ARE going to need extra tools to get you what you want which is to play back the movie with the subtitles you want.

Originally Posted by SirGCal

There has to be something that happens to the .mpls or index files in the ISO format to force the use of subtitle track X as default... THAT is what I'm looking for.

There is.....It's called the Bluray structure. And you'll need that to be able to play back the forced cation pgs subtitle file. While you can strip of the appropriate m2ts file in less than 10 minutes, the m2ts file is only a container and doesn't handle subtitle playback. You will HAVE to create a bluray structure for that.

Fine, if you don't want to use ClownBD, then use Tsmuxer Gui directly. ClownBD uses Tsmuxer also. Tsmuxer will strip away the stuff you don't want and keep the stuff you do. It will then create a bluray structure around that.

Use the tsmuxer output and Imageburn to create an ISO file. It's really that easy.

[SirGCal]

Apparently, no one is reading properly what I'm writing or no one is understanding my question... Let me try to make this stupid-proof and fix this confusion...

I DO make the BluRay structured ISOs... With the playlist, stream, bdmv, certificate, etc. folders and index and movieobject bdmv files and mpls and m2ts files and all that goodness...

I even use TXMuxer now and then to do this. However it still won't force a subtitle play. I've tried numerous ways to get Star Trek (1) to work as expected and the proper subtitle track is never on by default. And it is the extremely simple (all forced subtitles in one pgs track) method. I can make the iso, load it up, software 'loads bluray disk information' but never selects the subtitle track by default. I can select the subtitle track manually (couldn't do this without the proper bluray structure) but it won't load automatically.

It works on the original ISO so something has to be being pulled out. Clown does too much extra stuff with eac3to that I don't want and takes for freaking ever. Plus simply, it's no longer updated/supported (because cloneBD was supposed to be release from what I heard.. but...).

All I want is to edit the mpls or bdmv files or what ever it is that tells the player to use X tract by default. Obviously something in this structure has to tell it to play this m2ts file with this video tract and this audio tract and this subtitle tract... I want to edit that. Directly if possible. Once I have the proper file edited for the proper structure, then I will have the proper ISO setup, which in the end IS all I need.

I can sort-a do the same thing right now by simply taking out the non-movie m2ts files from the original and re-saving the ISO, but that's not much faster than the clown method. And you still have to deal with menus and all that without the content being there...

And, honestly, I used clown on ST(1) a week ago and it did NOT do it properly... Yes, it worked on Avatar.. sorta... but it failed on Star Trek 1 to lock in the proper psg... So did the iso direct from TXMuser for that matter. Neither one would default to force the subtitle track on. I find some options that 'sorta' work by moving the pgs you want to the top but... There has to be a more intelligent way to do this...

I want to edit the bdmv's directly, and/or the mpls's.. With force track options. BDedit is the closest thing I can find but as formentioned, it doesn't have this option either (as well as being quite criptic in it's own right).

[PrincipalityFusion]

I'll try to give you assistance, but i would like to make 2 points first.

1) When you say things like this

Let me try to make this stupid-proof and fix this confusion

, you imply that people are stupid. That might be true sometimes, but on this forum those are the same people you are asking help from. It doesn't help you make your case very well

2) What's with this "i don't use it because it's not supported" crap. DVDShrink hasn't been supported in years, yet it was recently the only program i could find to do what i was wanting to do. You use a program for what it can do for you now, not what it might be able to do in the future. If ClownBD works now, it doesn't matter that it may no longer work 1 year from now. If it works for you now, use it. It's that simple.

Now, having ranted, i think i can help you. For sake of argument, we'll say that ClownBD isn't working. Okay, you have other alternatives. Personally, I use a program called MultiAVCHD. It has an option you check to force the first subtitle track on playback. You can try that and see if it works for you. The only warning i have is that it uses the same programs that ClownBD uses (eac3to, etc) but unless you set it to do an encode, it should not take 3 hours to do a simple rip. On my system, it takes around 15 to 35 minutes depending on how big the bluray is. You'll also need to download 3 programs (ffdshow, AVSynth, and Hali Media Splitter). The program relies on these 3 programs but doesn't install them for you.

I also created a post a while back on how to get forced subs working on titles like "2012". It's not totally 100% your situation, but you might find it useful
http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=11

[Adbear]

I've had no issue with Avatar, 2012, Star Trek and a whole host of other films that have forced subtitles using Clown BD, normally takes about 40-50 mins depending on the film to end up with a folder I can then play back in TMT3, and the forced subtitles work.. You do have to load the full original ripped folder or disc into Clown BD otherwise it doesn't know which tracks are supposed to be forced.
Another way to do it is to use BD rebuilder. You tell it you want to make a movie only and set the disc size to custom, make the custom size bigger than the original disc size then remove the audio/subtitle tracks you don't want. It will then build a new disc without having to re-encode as the disc space allotted is more than the disc space needed

[SirGCal]

Originally Posted by PrincipalityFusion

I'll try to give you assistance, but i would like to make 2 points first.

1) When you say things like this , you imply that people are stupid. That might be true sometimes, but on this forum those are the same people you are asking help from. It doesn't help you make your case very well

The whole point was I was trying to give full detail so the previous posts like you mentioned. If you assumed I was calling you stupid, that's your own fault. I was not, would not. I was trying to make my post's understanding stupid-proof. If that comment offended you, well...

[QUOTE=PrincipalityFusion;261294]2) What's with this "i don't use it because it's not supported" crap. DVDShrink hasn't been supported in years, yet it was recently the only program i could find to do what i was wanting to do. You use a program for what it can do for you now, not what it might be able to do in the future. If ClownBD works now, it doesn't matter that it may no longer work 1 year from now. If it works for you now, use it. It's that simple.[quote]

I haven't used DVD Shrink in many many many years... And I don't use software which the developer dumps and no longer cares about. Simple as that. But still, clown doesn't do what I'm wanting to do which you again seem to be missing...

Originally Posted by PrincipalityFusion

Now, having ranted, i think i can help you. For sake of argument, we'll say that ClownBD isn't working. Okay, you have other alternatives. Personally, I use a program called MultiAVCHD. It has an option you check to force the first subtitle track on playback. You can try that and see if it works for you. The only warning i have is that it uses the same programs that ClownBD uses (eac3to, etc) but unless you set it to do an encode, it should not take 3 hours to do a simple rip. On my system, it takes around 15 to 35 minutes depending on how big the bluray is. You'll also need to download 3 programs (ffdshow, AVSynth, and Hali Media Splitter). The program relies on these 3 programs but doesn't install them for you.

I've tried multiAVCHD. Didn't care for it at all. Even more cryptic than clown and even less powerful with, as you mention, more reliance on more things I just don't need or want. All I want to do is edit those two simple files (bdmv, mpls) directly... You've yet to show me anything that does this.

Originally Posted by PrincipalityFusion

I also created a post a while back on how to get forced subs working on titles like "2012". It's not totally 100% your situation, but you might find it useful
http://forum.slysoft.com/showpost.ph...7&postcount=11

Seen these, seen the options and methods for doing it with .mkv containers... etc.. I'd rather keep iso containers for my blurays as I have so many and I like symmetry.


Again, and hopefully for the last time. I'm not looking for something to do everything for me. I'm looking for a program that will let me edit these files directly. (or even just a 'what to look for to get it to do this' and I'll hex-edit them myself). I'm starting with all pure BluRay disks (I don't steal) so I'm always starting with the full package. I just want them all on my central file-server so I can stream them throughout the house. And my current test for this is ST(1) and getting it isolated into ISO (in br format) and editing the bdmv/mpls files so that it auto-loads just the subtitle tract I want.

I can make the file structure and copy over the necessary .m2ts directly from the original in literally seconds (5-10 minutes if I'm doing it from disk and not from a master iso image I've already stored). It should be as simple as tweaking these remaining bdmv/mpls files to instruct it how to fire off when it loads the Bluray structure but BDedit (the closest item I've found so far) even can't seem (or I haven't figured out how) to do it.

So everyone telling me to use clown... stop. Please. You're missing my entire question. Yes I know it's there. I WANT to know better how to do it DIRECTLY and more-so manually. I don't want to have some software hold my hand as much as I want to do it myself and understand the full internal structure even if possible. Because if I can do that, I can do these in seconds/minutes, not hours or even half hours... Plus then I can make them better and more globally portable, not just happy with one player or one setup or one codec or... whatever. You're missing my point about my question. It's not just the subtitles. It's just for this example, I want to know how to DIRECTLY edit the necessary files to make it point to such. So ya, I guess I do need to help make it a bit more stupid-proof still as everyone seem to be missing my question entirely.