Blocked BD copy playback (Cinavia)

[Humphammer]

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

Whether or not you traveled through time to buy one before Q4 2009 or not. Otherwise, you don't determine it. It's a gamble.

So if my Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray player's build date is September 2009 it will continue to play backed-up copies even if they are Cinavia protected provided I do not allow it to update via the internet....is this correct to the best of your knowledge?

[James]

Originally Posted by Humphammer

So if my Sony 400 disc Blu-Ray player's build date is September 2009 it will continue to play backed-up copies even if they are Cinavia protected provided I do not allow it to update via the internet....is this correct to the best of your knowledge?

I don't think the build date is important, but the date the model was released to market.

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by James

Yes, and this is the important thing: IIRC Sony has stated in some blog, that the PS3 is indeed licensed by AACS and working as a software player, not a hardware player. IIRC, these are different licenses, e.g. keys for software players are automatically revoked after some time period, but I'm not 100% sure. If you like, you can read all the legal documents on the AACS website
As a consequence, software players will get Cinavia detectors sooner or later. PowerDVD already detects DVD-Audio watermarks, adding Cinavia should be a piece of cake.

The software player I use won't. This is important to repeat. Those of you using commercial software players should *SERIOUSLY* consider keeping all the patches for your player and a way to reinstall them. Current versions are good as they don't detect Cinavia and work with the latest BD+/BD-J titles. Otherwise, consider using something like MPC-HC + ffdshow for playing backups that contain Cinavia. I really can't wait for SlyPlayer now...

P.S. No, I won't be reading through a bunch of legal documents!

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by James

I don't think the build date is important, but the date the model was released to market.

Right. I think it's all models that have been RELEASED since Q4 2009 that contain it. I you can find a player that was released before that, you should be fine. I hope.

[Pelvis Popcan]

Originally Posted by Humphammer

When shopping for a Blu-Ray player at the local Best Buy how does one determine if it supports Cinivia or not?

You can get an Oppo BDP-83, that is still being sold and doesn't have Cinavia detection, according to Oppo anyways.

[Clams]

I'm so glad I decided to totally SHUN Blu-Ray.
An upconvertying DVD player with an HDTV isn't perfect - but it's sure headache free!!!

-W

[hajj_3]

wait a few weeks until we know which players have cinivia in the latest firmware, the discs have literally only just come out in the shops, i hope the LG BD560 doesn't have it as i'm thinking of buying 1 soon, it supports NTFS harddrives and .mkv files and is only £104.

[SamuriHL]

@clams

Bah, screw that. I like BD's. Superior video and excellent HD audio. It's just that I'd rather go with an HTPC for flexibility than a stand alone. And, it would seem that was a good choice. This Cinavia crap won't affect me at all on the HTPC. I've simply been running tests on the PS3 to find out how robust it is. It's pretty nasty for sure. Just use something that doesn't know about it for playback.

[Feynor]

Originally Posted by fast eddie

@ SamuriHL

Does your retail version of the Blu-ray disk have the Cinavia logo on it?

Or the Cinavia logo anywhere on the package or wrapings?

The rental version did not have any Cinavia logo anywhere.

They are probably stuffing the Cenavia protection under the "Copy Protected" umbrella they've had a logo for for ages. No need for them to advertise that they have a protection that is currently somewhat effective. Though supplying a DVD with the BD which is not protected is something of a facepalm moment

[Feynor]

Originally Posted by fast eddie

@ Slysoft

The Cinavia that is built into the audio from the source Blu-ray disk, can the same audio with Cinavia be put in the back-up disk after the AnyDVD HD rip?

Since the Cinavia player is looking for the Cinavia it will have it, and the back-up copy should play.

In others words can AnyDVD HD rip the disk and keep Cinavia in the audio after the rip?

AnyDVD HD can't remove Cinavia, so I don't really see what it is you are asking about here. If the original have Cinavia on it, the copy will have it as well.