Can't ISO normally. Only Rip (Copy to Folder)

[Hawk]

@ Mr.Burns Anydvd does not add structural protection to your disc or invent them.
However what you were describing was bug which gave false appearance to user of having structure protection which has been resolved in later version.

[Mr. Burns]

I didn't mean that AnyDvd physically adds anything to the original Dvd, but whenever I check the Remove annoying clips... box, (or even the other two related annoying clip boxes as well -- with the rest of the settings as Defaults and the Aggressive I/O mode checked -- EDIT: though I just ALSO tested it with the Aggressive I/O mode Unchecked, and it still gives me the same error message as seen below), AnyDvd shows that it removed the Structural Protection and then makes the structure unreadable to Dvd Shrink (at least on my computer). Dvd Shrink then says:

"DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue. Invalid DVD Navigation structure."

As soon as I press the default button to automatically uncheck those Annoying clip boxes and then click okay, AnyDVD rescans the DVD and then shows NO structural protection and DVD Shrink can read the DVD. Explain that one to me.

And sometimes even when I have an actual DVD that appears to have structural protection on it, I can still use Dvd Shrink to play it and use Nero to burn it (without needing to use the AnyDvd ripper).

So, when was that bug supposedly removed because I still see it with AnyDvd 6802 and 6808?

Note: I just tested "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (2005 -- with Zooey Deschanel) with 6808 and AnyDVD shows that it had structural protection, but DVD Shrink still read the original DVD and let me watch it (without having to use the AnyDVD ripper); I assume I would be able to burn it with Nero 7 as well (just like I did with one of the "Private Practice" DVDs that AnyDvd said had structural protection, but DVD Shrink still read it and Nero burned it -- as far as I recall, anyway).

I still used the AnyDvd ripper to help me burn a DVD of The Hitchhiker's Guide... but that's only because I assumed that DVD Shrink wouldn't be able to handle the "supposed" structural protection on it.

Oh, and when I checked the "Remove annoying clips..." box and let AnyDVD scan "Hitchhiker's Guide..." again, it still showed it had found and removed the Structural protection, but this time, DVD Shrink couldn't read the DVD because I checked the "Remove annoying clips..." boxes and I got the same error message as the one I listed above.

I'm lost in space, but at least I can always avoid the fancy bells and whistles and still get the job done.

I've always assumed that this was normal behaviour, but if it's not, let me know. I can use any DVD (just like the name of the SlySoft program) for the log file, since it happens with all the DVDs that I've tested this on before.

Try it yourself with Windows XP, AnyDvd 6808 (or even earlier), DVD Shrink and ANY DVD that you have in your home. If you can get DVD Shrink to read your DVD after you've checked one or all of the "Remove annoying clips" boxes, then I'll be shocked (I think this is a known occurrence with DVD Shrink, but I could be wrong).

Edit: Just to be clear, I can get the "Remove annoying clips..." feature to work on my burned DVDs, as long as I use the AnyDvd ripper and then DVD Shrink can of course read the file it created ... and then I can burn with Nero 7 and get a successful backup with the annoying clips removed as they should be.

Oh, and then there's this thread that is somewhat similar:

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread....ghlight=cheers

[Adbear]

But if you're using DVD shrink then you don't need those removal boxes checked, especially if you're making 'movie only' DVD's like the OP is as you're asking AnyDVD to author on the fly then serve that to DVD Shrink which then tries to access the file on the disc rather than the virtual file file that AnyDVD has created.

From what I've read about this issue in other posts the bottom line seems to be that if you want to use DVD shrink with newer discs that have newer copy protection there is no way round ripping it to the HD first due to the way the copy protection works. AnyDVD still does it's job of removing the encryption, it's just that these older programs can't read the file structure properly as they've never been updated to cope with how these newer protections lay everything out on the disc.

Also it never states on the AnyDVD page that you can re-author on the fly using any third party software, just that it

Works with all DVD copying

which is not the same as re-authoring.

You could try turning off the 'remove trailers etc' options and then see if it works as suggested by Mr.Burns as this often helps.

Not sure if I missed it, but as to your other question, if you've ripped to folder then AnyDVD will not then scan that folder when it's loaded into DVD shrink as it's not seen as a physical disc. The only way it would scan the rip was if you ripped to an ISO then mounted the ISO in VCD

[i7win7]

Originally Posted by Thor

Frankly, I tried your other product and I did not like it. It does not have the option to start and end the movie where I want it to. I have to take the whol movie, 8 miles of credits and all. I even wrote to you guys about adding that option to be able to edit the start and stop points. Has this been done yet, by any chance?

You may want to consider a video editor, some author the dvd directly. I would still recommend the rip to HD first.

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

Try it yourself with Windows XP, AnyDvd 6808 (or even earlier), DVD Shrink and ANY DVD that you have in your home. If you can get DVD Shrink to read your DVD after you've checked one or all of the "Remove annoying clips" boxes, then I'll be shocked (I think this is a known occurrence with DVD Shrink, but I could be wrong).

Ah, it appears that for "The Hitchhiker's Guide..." DVD, it is true that I can't get DVD Shrink to read that DVD when I check any one of the "Remove Annoying clips..." boxes, but for a DVD that doesn't have structural protection on it, like "The Guardian: Season 2 (Disc 5)", I can get DVD Shrink to read it, even if I check the first two boxes for the "Remove Annoying Clips...". However, if I also then check the third box (Remove annoying titles shorten than...), or if I just check that third box, that's when DVD Shrink can't read "The Guardian" DVD and I get the same DVD Shrink error message that I mentioned in my last post. The same thing happens if I use AnyDvd 6799 with those two DVDs.

Any DVD still says that The Guardian DVD has structural protection on it whenever I check any one of the "Remove Annoying clips..." boxes, but when they are Unchecked, AnyDvd doesn't mention Structural protection at all.

I don't know if that matters, but I think it's weird.

So, my new challenge for you is to try to get DVD Shrink to read a DVD that you have, while you have that 3rd box checked (Remove annoying titles shorter than...), without using the AnyDvd Ripper. Good luck, you'll need it!

[Mr. Burns]

Originally Posted by Adbear

But if you're using DVD shrink then you don't need those removal boxes checked, especially if you're making 'movie only' DVD's

But I rarely if ever make Movie Only DVDs. I use DVD Shrink to help me remove the stuff I don't want, while still keeping the menus intact. However, if I notice that some of the deleted scenes or any other extras that I want to keep are all GREATER than the 1 minute minimum that AnyDvd allows for removing annoying clips (with the slider bar), that's when I might decide to use that feature to save space.

In addition, with some discs (even ones without structural protection), DVD Shrink occasionally shows them as being larger than a standard DVD-R (shows as in the red), and then even if I substitute an image for the things I don't need, I still might not have enough space on my DVD-R. That's when using the "Remove annoying clips less than a minute" can help to reduce the size even more and might allow me to fit all the stuff that I want on the DVD-R without having to use two DVD-Rs (or a dual-layer disc), or the re-author feature of DVD Shrink.

[Adbear]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

But I rarely if ever make Movie Only DVDs. I use DVD Shrink to help me remove the stuff I don't want, while still keeping the menus intact. However, if I notice that some of the deleted scenes or any other extras that I want to keep are all GREATER than the 1 minute minimum that AnyDvd allows for removing annoying clips (with the slider bar), that's when I might decide to use that feature to save space.

In addition, with some discs (even ones without structural protection), DVD Shrink occasionally shows them as being larger than a standard DVD-R (shows as in the red), and then even if I substitute an image for the things I don't need, I still might not have enough space on my DVD-R. That's when using the "Remove annoying clips less than a minute" can help to reduce the size even more and might allow me to fit all the stuff that I want on the DVD-R without having to use two DVD-Rs (or a dual-layer disc), or the re-author feature of DVD Shrink.

I never said you were, you missed off the last part of what I said

But if you're using DVD shrink then you don't need those removal boxes checked, especially if you're making 'movie only' DVD's like the OP is

Also you seem to have missed the point of the first part of my post. If you're using DVD shrink then don't set AnyDVD to do any removal and do it all in DVD shrink. You're asking it to re-author on the fly then serve that to another program to then re-author inside that

[Mr. Burns]

If you're using DVD shrink then don't set AnyDVD to do any removal and do it all in DVD shrink.

But AnyDvd's "remove annoying..." features also let the burned disc quickly skip to the main menu without having to press the "disc menu" button on my DVD remote, or worry about the messages that I can skip, but shouldn't, because then I'm forced into an endless loop and need to wait for a while until they have ended. I could just use the "scene select" choice from the main menu to counter that, but since I like the "Play all" feature for watching TV series DVDs, I do enjoy the convenience of those new AnyDvd features.

When using DVD Shrink, why go through several titles and manually change them to an image, when I can have the new AnyDvd feature do it all automatically -- with no image adding necessary? It's just too bad that most of the DVDs have stuff on them that are less than 1 minute in length (usually some deleted scenes) that I want to see, so setting the slider bar won't help save those items. At least the other 2 "Remove annoying..." options help out more efficiently (so far, anyway).

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Adbear

I can still use your method on older DVD's it just doesn't work on NEWER titles due to the way the encryption works. There is no way round this without re-writing DVD shrink to enable it to access the discs differently. Slysoft can do nothing about this without re-writing DVD shrink to access the discs differently like they've had to do with CloneDVD.

You say the only thing that has changed is the version of AnyDVD, but it isn't. The DVD's are constantly evolving with new versions of copy protection. If it wasn't necessary to have to access the discs in a different way to how DVD shrink can handle them then they'd never have had to update CloneDVD to handle it either.

I see, so you're saying that because of the encryption, DVD Shrink is not able to read the discs properly. Okay, but I thought that AnyDVD was taking care of that encryption. I mean, isn't that why we bought it?

The way I thought of it, AnyDVD dealt with the encryption before the other program saw it. Or am I incorrectly equating the terms "encryption" and "copy protection"?

As for CloneDVD2, it is a nice little program. But it simply does not have the features that Shrink has. Only Nero Recode does, but that's because it's the same author and he had to agree not to develop it any more. But I'm not going to deal with Nero, as it is bloatware. But the features are:

It allows the user to pick the exact starting and ending spots that they want when doing the movie only and not the whole disc. This may seem picky to some, but why fast forward through a bunch of crap?

Not only that, but sometimes you can be at the point where that extra 2% really makes the difference in how the copy looks! And you can get it back by being able to lop off the studio ads at the beginning and the credits at the end. I have had more than one movie where I saw a noticeable difference, due to the compression being so heavy. I wrote to SlySoft about this, but I guess since even many Shrink users don't even know it's there, they don't think it's that important. It is to those who discover it though! And I'm sure Sly could make the button more prominent.

Also, Shrink has those two little check boxes that really improves on the quality (I don't remember what they're called now, but they're in one of the tabs when you go to create the ISO, or burn it to disc, after you click the "Backup" button)! Plus it has the setting for sharpness, which I'll admit I've never had to touch, but it's there. But when compression is used, I do check both of those little boxes and it makes a Heck of a difference! Again, I didn't see those in CloneDVD2 either.

So anyway, that's why I never bought CloneDVD2. And I honestly don't understand why they aren't there. They seem to be such nice features and such a benefit, that one would think they would add them.

But the other dude was saying this error I get could happen with lots of programs, so it isn't just about Shrink not being developed any more and if CloneDVD2 is a "must buy" for users of AnyDVD, then why aren't users told that? Why aren't they sold as a package, ya know?

And is CloneDVD2 always updated at the same time as AnyDVD? And if not, then what's the advantage of getting it? Sure, it will be updated eventually, but I still don't get to do my backup when I want to.

I guess I just got a little ticked off by his initial response and then just dropping it. Like because I didn't have CloneDVD2, he was laughing at me for asking. Not too nice.

Had he just stated straightforward what the problem was and where I was ignorant, that would have been much easier and I could learn something. Or if he did, it got lost in the long post that laughed at me. I think we all know that some company just telling you to buy their other product also, is usually just a sales pitch and it's annoying! Here it seems to make sense, but I just didn't feel like I received a straight answer. Again, maybe I did and I just went blind after the laughter part.

Anyway, thanks for your comments and if you or anyone else can answer any of my questions or have an opinion about my comments above, I would enjoy having you or anyone else respond.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

But AnyDvd's "remove annoying..." features also let the burned disc quickly skip to the main menu without having to press the "disc menu" button on my DVD remote, or worry about the messages that I can skip, but shouldn't, because then I'm forced into an endless loop and need to wait for a while until they have ended. I could just use the "scene select" choice from the main menu to counter that, but since I like the "Play all" feature for watching TV series DVDs, I do enjoy the convenience of those new AnyDvd features.

When using DVD Shrink, why go through several titles and manually change them to an image, when I can have the new AnyDvd feature do it all automatically -- with no image adding necessary? It's just too bad that most of the DVDs have stuff on them that are less than 1 minute in length (usually some deleted scenes) that I want to see, so setting the slider bar won't help save those items. At least the other 2 "Remove annoying..." options help out more efficiently (so far, anyway).

I never backup the whole disc. The compression would be too much! I know these programs advertise that they can compress down to 50% of the original size and it looks perfect, but that just ain't true! But when it comes to compression and still looking good, I haven't seen anything beat DVD Shrink! Again, I do movie only, but even then sometimes it's a lot of compression! I've seen movies like that Samarai one with Tom Cruise years ago compress down to 63% (would have been 61% if Shrink didn't have that feature I mentioned in another message) of it's original size and look great and that's hard to do!

But like I said, I haven't seen anything touch it on the "compress and still look good" journey.