Help with my HD-DVD frustration

[BigCoolJesus]

Wow, thanks Samuri! Giving ClownBD another shot

Also, attached are my ClownBD settings and what boxes I check when ripping an HD-DVD (2Fast 2Furious in this example). Let me know if anything seems out of place or incorrect.

[James]

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

Far more prevalent on HD DVD than on BD.

Really?
I know many interesting BD titles which are interlaced, like all BBC discs.

I believe I have almost every HD DVD disc ever made, and there are very few interlaced discs among them.

[James]

Originally Posted by James

Really?
I know many interesting BD titles which are interlaced, like all BBC discs.

More OT stuff:
I was quite shocked to find out, that "Phantoms" and "Halloween VI" from the recently released Mirmax' "Masters of Terror" Blu-ray set are both interlaced.

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by James

Really?
I know many interesting BD titles which are interlaced, like all BBC discs.

I believe I have almost every HD DVD disc ever made, and there are very few interlaced discs among them.

Hold that thought. I know what I'm confused on. It's not the 1080i issue, although there are some. It's the freaking pulldown crap on HD DVD for VC1. EAC3TO removes that, so, for ClownBD it's doing the right thing. Anything else you rip with doesn't remove them and shows the wrong FPS (which can confuse some programs into thinking it's interlaced when it's not, although that's the program's fault not the video). So yes, I was incorrect and thinking of a completely different problem.

[BigCoolJesus]

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

Hold that thought. I know what I'm confused on. It's not the 1080i issue, although there are some. It's the freaking pulldown crap on HD DVD for VC1. EAC3TO removes that, so, for ClownBD it's doing the right thing. Anything else you rip with doesn't remove them and shows the wrong FPS (which can confuse some programs into thinking it's interlaced when it's not, although that's the program's fault not the video). So yes, I was incorrect and thinking of a completely different problem.

I actually read about the HD-DVD pull down issue a few days ago.....but was utterly confused

In a nutshell: ClownBD is taking care of said "pull down issue" and my movies will come out in their native 1080p form when all is said and done, right?
And that would also explain why using the EVODemux + TSMuxer route was giving me 1080i at the end, because it wasn't addressing the pull down, right?

[BigCoolJesus]

Oh and do my ClownBD screenshots in my previous post look correct in terms of settings? Any issues you see?

Thanks!

[SamuriHL]

If the pulldown isn't removed, the reported frame rate is off, so, it's POSSIBLE it'll show 1080i incorrectly depending on what you're using to show that information. So yea, it's possible that caused it. Please note that it's only a informational issue, not an actual problem with the video.

ClownBD uses EAC3TO to extract the streams and it removes pulldown, so, you're good.

And yea, those look ok.

[BigCoolJesus]

Thanks a whole lot Samuri!

Looks like I have all my misconceptions/misinformation/questions sorted out and can move ahead with ClownBD.

Thanks again!

[SamuriHL]

To give you an idea of what it can look like if you don't remove pulldown, here's one of my MKV's from an HD DVD I did recently:

Video 
ID : 1 
Format : VC-1 
Format profile : Advanced@L3 
Codec ID : WVC1 
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft 
Duration : 2h 10mn 
Bit rate : 20.3 Mbps 
Width : 1 920 pixels 
Height : 1 080 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 16:9 
Frame rate mode : Variable 
Frame rate : 29.970 fps 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Scan order : Top Field First 
Compression mode : Lossy 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.327 
Stream size : 18.5 GiB (91%) 
Language : English 
Default : No

Notice that the FPS is off (it should be 23.976) and in this case it does show progressive. But, a program can look at the 29.970 and incorrectly assume it's interlaced. And that is what I was thinking of when I said a lot of HD DVD's were 1080i. They're potentially REPORTED as 1080i because of this issue. VC1 was widely used on a lot of HD DVD's and they need pulldown applied. The program I use doesn't do so.

[BigCoolJesus]

Attached is the Media Info screenshot of 2Fast 2Furious that just got done ripping. Everything look spot on to you?

Thanks!