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Thread: Cinavia, Feb, 1, 2012 and forwards

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    Well as to the last question, you can't make a 100 copy of the disc (especially Blu-ray) as you can't replicate the BD-ROM mark, if you can't have that on a disc then you have to remove the AACS encryption which then means that your player will detect that it's a copy and if it has Cinavia detection that will then kick in on a Cinavia disc (the Cinavia watermark does get copied across, that's what causes the issue)

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrv21 View Post
    If I copy a 100 percent cloned copy of the original disc why does it not carry the Civania watermark over to the new disc and play just as the original would? Thank you.
    You can't duplicate the AACS encryption of a Blu-Ray disc. If you could, it wouldn't be "encryption."

    You can use AnyDVD and ImgBurn to make a 100% cloned copy on a BD-R with all of the content unencrypted. That will then play just like the original.

    The Cinavia watermark is in the unencrypted analog audio, which means it gets copied when you make a 100% cloned copy on a BD-R with all of the content unencrypted. If you play that on a player that has Cinavia watermark detection, what it does if it detects the watermark is check that the content is AACS encrypted. Only the original can have AACS encrypted video. If it does, fine. If it doesn't, then it not only assumes that it must be a copy... it assumes that it must be an illegal copy, so it kicks in and throws up the message and disables the audio.
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    The good news is that February has come and gone and not a flood of complaints of new cinavia infections. Keeping fingers crossed!

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    Further information in reference to Oppo players and Cinavia. Someone contacted customer service and received the following reply:

    Cinavia will never be supported in our current line of players. It is not required by our licensing.

    Best Regards,

    Customer Service
    OPPO Digital, Inc.
    Source here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21749990.

    This further clarifies what has been previously been stated by Oppo and dispels any speculation to the contrary on the matter. None of the current players (ie BDP-80, BDP-83, BDP-83 SE, BDP-93, BDP-95) fall under the licensing requirement for Cinavia enforcement.
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    Will an infected player detect a backed up film if it doesn't have the cinavia watermark? Just want to know if current backed up blu-rays and dvds will be a problem in the future or if only the watermarked films going forward will be the problem.

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    Cinavia works by detecting the watermark. If no watermark exists, then it's not Cinavia. So, any disc without Cinavia embedded in it will not trigger it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuriHL View Post
    Cinavia works by detecting the watermark. If no watermark exists, then it's not Cinavia. So, any disc without Cinavia embedded in it will not trigger it.

    Thank you for clearing that up. Found someone on one forum saying all non watermarked disks will be affected and how it's important to stockpile non infected players.

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    Then that guy doesnt understand how it works and what it needs. Not only does cinavia need a watermark in the audio for it to be detected, players need to have hardware in them capable of detecting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clsmooth391 View Post
    Thank you for clearing that up. Found someone on one forum saying all non watermarked disks will be affected and how it's important to stockpile non infected players.
    Yea there's a lot of FUD going around where cinavia is concerned. It's really not very complicated. If the player supports detection, and if the disc contains the embedded watermark, and if the disc is not a bdrom with protection in place, then cinavia is tripped. If any one of those variables aren't true then no cinavia.

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    Just reviewing this topic after some absence from it, rather disappointing there has been no new breakthroughs but not really suprised at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by fast eddie View Post
    It looks like a good stockpile of non-cinavia Blu-ray players will be a must, and the cost of a non-cinavia Blu-ray player will be going thru the roof and become liquid gold.

    I have stockpiled four non-cinavia players. Come on Slysoft lets get this watermark removed.
    I can't honestly see the point in that, if Cinavia is that much a problem then build a single HTPC, problem solved. Thats besides the likely problem of manufacturers abandoning updates for older models.

    You have to hand it to the software developers its such a simple solution, rather than a digital encryption which can be cracked what better solution than an analogue audio signal embbeded in the regular audio track. So long as the signal is there the software will detect it, bingo. The only way to remove it is to:

    a) build an HTPC with non-Cinavia detecting software on it
    b) remove the audio track altogether - not entirely practical (sarcasm)
    c) remux an alternative soundtrack that doesn't have Cinavia embedded in - if you have no access to the master audio, again not a practical solution
    d) modify the software on the player by "chipping" the BD player with modified software on a chip removing the Cinavia detection routines in the same way my early DVD players had Region Encoding and Macrovision protection systems disabled - thats if it hasn't been made illegal/impossible already (I confess I'm a bit out of the loop on that one)

    I favour a) myself. Probably cheaper than d) and you get to choose the software you put on it yourself.

    edit: thinking about it even d) is not an option because as soon as the player needs an update that'll be an end of the modified software routines, unless the chip is capable of updating itself over the 'net (seems unlikely)

    Quote Originally Posted by mmdavis View Post
    This wouldn't even be a thought in anyone's mind had DVD HD won the battle. Everyone was concerned about the price if Blu-ray won, not this.
    Why do you think Blu-ray won and not HD-DVD? It's precisely because its a moving platform and HD-DVD was not. It certainly wasn't because of cost or any other inconveniance to the consumer.
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