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    Number 3 really bothers me.

    3.Per the request from the studios, the ISO file playback function has been removed in this firmware version. The previous firmware had the ability to play ISO files, but it was an undocumented function and was never officially announced or supported. Future firmware version will no longer support ISO playback.

    I've been converting all my dvd and Blu-rays to iso and was enjoying being able to play them all from my external hd connected to my OPPO BDP-93. Very frustrating and disappointed in OPPO. I guess I won't be upgrading the FW.

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    Any ideas about USB playback on DVD/BD folders? It doesn't mention this. Hopefully someone will create an open source version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Journbon View Post
    http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-b...-64-0119B.aspx

    Number 3 really bothers me.

    3.Per the request from the studios, the ISO file playback function has been removed in this firmware version. (
    Didn't someone say Oppo is on the side of the studios? ISO playback function removed, whats next full blown attack on software playing.

    Why would anyone want to pay the high price of Oppo when they are turning into cancer products, just like Sony, and most likely in the near future have the Cinavia cancer.
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    A few things need to be noted. First of all, Oppo had no choice with respect to ISO support. The studios were unhappy and the studios are part of the BDA and if the BDA and/or AACS LA are unhappy then chances are very big problems will subsequently occur. Having licensing revoked would kill Oppo as a business.

    Oppo directly replied to people upset about the loss of ISO support on their Facebook page:

    Quote Originally Posted by Oppo
    ‎@Johnny Stork: We understand your frustration, but at the same time you have to respect our decision to remain a reputable business. We want to remain a brand which is going to be around for several more decades, and not fade into oblivion because we were no longer able to manufacture and sell Blu-ray players. Our core business is disc based media, and we will do what is required to make sure that this business is protected.
    ISO support can be seen as supporting playback of pirated material in it's full quality. Removal, of course, punishes the people who legitimately own all their Blu-Ray movies but want to store them on HDDs. I would expect someone to quickly point out that the Oppo players support Matroska containers but HD audio is not supported in MKVs and it's doubtful that it will be added. People have been asking Oppo to such support since the player was released.

    Furthermore, Oppo has explained why ISO support was added to begin with:

    Quote Originally Posted by Oppo
    ‎@Jorge Fernandez: And we are making a Blu-ray disc player. The ability to support ISO was added to the firmware internally to diagnose disc media playback, and was unintentionally left in the firmware when we released it to the public. As this feature did not degrade the performance of the player, we left it in there with successive firmware knowing that it may at one time be removed by studio or licensing protest. This is why ISO was never officially announced or supported.

    The BDP-9x series of players is first and foremost a Universal Disc Player. Everything else is secondary. If we fail to do our primary objective as licensing is removed, or studios fail to support us, then the product no longer has relevance in the market, and our company no longer can exist.

    We understand fully about the desire to keep ISO support, and you need to understand fully that we need to remain a company. We will not jeopardize this fact. Unfortunately this means that our brief support of ISO media has come to a close.
    Lastly, fast eddie, your statement demonstrates your lack of understanding the audience that Oppo caters to and, frankly, your info on Oppo is plain wrong. The company is consumer-oriented and they've said from the beginning that they would not support Cinavia until and unless they were mandated to. With respect to ISO support they were threatened. They just worded it more nicely in the release notes. This doesn't show support for the studios and Oppo hasn't demonstrated any support for loving studios and their draconian tactics. That said, Oppo as a business that requires multiple licenses to produce Blu-Ray players has a noose around its neck just like every other company producing players and if they fall afoul of the licenses that they've signed then they could wind up out of business.

    Oppo produces and sells quality products at a reasonable price for the quality that you get. Some might see the pricing as being a premium and it was a bit higher on their older standalone DVD players but in the world of Blu-Ray players their models aren't priced outrageously. With Blu-Ray players there really should be no difference with respect to video output of Blu-Ray. Nonetheless, the BDP-93 does things as it should. Furthermore, the BDP-93 after a great deal of tweaking by engineers is now on par with the BDP-83 with respect to upconversion of DVDs. It took some work due to switching from Anchor Bay to Marvell for the chip doing the processing. Also throw into things the fact that Oppo players come out as superb in bench testing the player. One such review is here: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/unive...e.html?start=3. Lastly, the quality of the Oppo players can be demonstrated buy the higher-end manufacturers using Oppo for their players. One such case involved Lexicon taking an Oppo BDP-83, not even removing it from the Oppo casing and then putting that inside their own shell and marking the player up to sell for $3000. I believe their may have been a few audio improvements to the Lexicon but let's remember that the BDP-83 retailed at $499. In effect, Oppo has designed players for some other high-end manufacturers.

    In short, while the loss of ISO support is unfortunate, the fact remains that Oppo has a history of creating quality players and the BDP-9x generation is continues that legacy and while other players may have a few more bells and whistles the Oppo players are top quality, solid players with great customer support. Benching proves the quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Journbon View Post
    I guess I won't be upgrading the FW.
    I'm sure the studios will be releasing future desirable Titles with "tricky" menus that will require a firmware update in order to work correctly: I recall Avatar caused a lot of problems with players, requiring firmware update.

    The studios probably even have a way to disable playback of any future title without a firmware update if they wish: they just haven't rolled out that heavy gun yet.

    I wouldn't put it past the studios requiring Oppodigital update the firmware to the latest version on players returned to them for repair.

    By not updating the Oppo firmware, you can retain ISO capability for now, but at the probable expense of playability issues with future titles.

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    That is true and I have thought about it. I am currently researching stand alone media players that play DVD and Blu ISOs. I know there is going to come a time where I will have to upgrade the FW eventually.

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    Just wait for a new disk that revokes the host key, and then we have to upgrade the firmware. Same thing happened to me on my PS3. In any event, the keys need to be updated after 18 months.

    Advanced Access Content System (AACS) is an industry requirement designed to protect Blu-ray Disc® contents. For enhanced security, the AACS Key for your WinDVD® Blu-ray player requires updating every 18 months. If you see the message "The AACS Key will expire soon" or "The AACS Key has expired, you may not be able to playback some titles", it's time to get the latest AACS Key to continue enjoying your Blu-ray Disc movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_r View Post
    Just wait for a new disk that revokes the host key, and then we have to upgrade the firmware. Same thing happened to me on my PS3. In any event, the keys need to be updated after 18 months.
    If I only use my PS3 to play new disc purchases, and never update the BDP-93 firmware, then there would be no chance of ever having a new disc revoke the host key. I could continue to use the 93 as my HTPC for all my personal older disc purchases, as well as newer ones that have been processed with ANYDVD HD to .iso HDD rips. Correct?

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    Only time will tell....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_r View Post
    Just wait for a new disk that revokes the host key, and then we have to upgrade the firmware. Same thing happened to me on my PS3. In any event, the keys need to be updated after 18 months.
    Do you recall what disc it was that revoked your host key?

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