Cinavia Protected Disks and Blu-ray Players (disks and players ONLY)

Discussion in 'High Definition Hardware' started by hajj_3, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. Crower

    Crower Well-Known Member

    And fortunately, since they list that database by title which shows what titles have Cinavia protection. Definitely a downer for the product though since it appears that each database needs to be individually loaded to flush Cinavia from a title.

    I wasn't trying to make any points in favor of or against any products - just point out that a comprehensive list is available for those who want to know if they could be dealing with Cinavia in their back-up (without running CloneBD to find out). Although CloneBD may detect Cinavia, it doesn't remove it (yet).
  2. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator (en)

    The product in question has been discussed ad nausium. It uses a database for each title to remove Cinavia. In the process, the audio is downgraded to a lower quality DD track. That might be acceptable to some. It's not acceptable to me. As for titles using Cinavia, that's easier than looking at a list. "Does it say Sony on it?" If yes, then Cinavia probability == high. If no, Cinavia probability == low. <-- NOTE: low != zero. Warner Brothers has used it before, as an example, on The Losers. However, wide adoption outside of Sony titles has not occurred.
  3. Crower

    Crower Well-Known Member

    Sorry to get off-topic here since this thread isn't really about Cinavia removal.

    I'm aware that the old product degrades audio and has been discussed thoroughly, but if you visit the CinEx HD site, you'll see they're advertising a new version and claiming excellent audio quality in the processed movie. I, for one, would like to know if that claim is true if anyone out there has tried the new version.

    As for titles, Disney/BuenaVista can be added to Sony and Warner titles, and if you list the several studios under Sony (Tri-star, Screen Gems, etc.), the list grows. Simply saying "Sony or Warner Bros" might well become insufficient. It still would be nice to see a comprehensive, updated list of titles. That's not presented here.
  4. TDK

    TDK New Member

    I joined just to confirm that my Sony BDP-S570 with the latest firmware M04.R.789, does NOT have Cinavia. I have tested several backups with known Cinavia without issue.
  5. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator (en)

    It does not keep HD audio. What they consider "excellent audio quality" is 5.1 AC3 audio.
  6. Crower

    Crower Well-Known Member

    Thank's for that information. It makes sense, since they would have to process all the audio track files to remove the encoded Cinavia information from each, and that would be a considerable task (and involve some significant software processing time). Do you know if any audio artifacts are introduced into the AC3 track or are they doing a good job at the removal in that track?

    At least someone is making a little progress on the Cinavia issue and that may lead to better solutions down the line. Breaking Cinavia is a key step to insuring it won't be adopted by other film studios since it's high licensing price might not be worth it if becomes less effective.
  7. SamuriHL

    SamuriHL Moderator (en)

    Could not tell you about the quality of the output of that product. I have zero intention of ever using it as I don't consider AC3 audio viable.
  8. comregal

    comregal Member

    No Cinavia in Sony BDP BX37

    I can confirm that the bx37 Sony player DOES NOT contain the Cinavia code. I've played numerous ANYHD rips with no problems. I still see them on Ebay for sale once in a while. It's using firmware update M03.R.794 which I think came out last year. Sony released another patch this past January, M03.R.804 which makes no mention of adding Cinavia while other recently released patches specifically do (BX38/BX58).

    Can anyone confirm that the new update is Cinavia free? Since Sony is patching the other players and the bx37 was licensed back in 2010, I'm wondering if the required chips aren't in the players and they can't be updated with the code. They still make updates for online services and apps.

    Thanks for any info.
  9. mindsci

    mindsci New Member

    Sony BDP-S370 Cinavia Free M03.R.694

    2010 Sony BDP-S370 purchased new and unused from Has Firmware Version: "M03.R.694" that it shipped with new. The player is NOT detecting the Cinavia Watermark. This has been confirmed with 18 Cinavia BD Backups made with AnyDVD HD and Aiseesoft Blu-ray Copy (BD-25 & BD-50 copies: clone, full disc, movie only, DTS-MA 5.1, etc.).

    So spec'd, the BDP-S370 with M03.R.694 is also playing new releases from Redbox fine ( Hunger Games MJ, Fury, Foxcatcher, Dracula Untold, etc.). As such, I won't be allowing the BDP-S370 to Firmware Update.

    The Player list shows Sony BDP-S370 firmware M03.R.315 and older; But my BDP-S370 firmware M03.R.694 is also cinavia free.:)

    There are still a few BDP-S370s available on Amazon in case anyone is interested; just ask the vendor to verify the units firmware version.
    Last edited: May 20, 2015